COVID-19 Discussion 😷

[Niki]

This is so scary to me. I’m immunocompromised and have a seven month old. I am so paranoid now. My stomach has been killing me all day and that’s not even a symptom but I keep worrying it could be for me  my daughter is supposed to get a shot next week but I’m thinking of postponing her appt because she’s perfectly healthy now and I don’t want to be risk exposing us. 
 

Thankfully my husband is a coupon addict and had stocked up on TP and paper towels and Kleenex like four years ago so we are good there. 

[TeamAudra]

Those who watch the news probably already know this, but Chloroquine has been used since the 1940s to treat Malaria. Apparently, it’s effective for treating Coronavirus too. It prevents the virus from attaching to cells. It’s also inexpensive, and is not known to cause serious side effects. Doctors won’t prescribe it for Coronavirus yet, because they haven’t been given guidelines by the FDA, even though it’s currently being used in other countries, like Poland and Spain. They need to cut the red tape and get it done now. 
 

You can read about it here, or dozens of other articles about the subject:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/chloroquine-malaria-drug-treat-coronavirus-doctors/story?id=69664561

Edited March 20, 2020 by TeamAudra

[TeamAudra]

 

[TeamAudra]

Hmmmm......

 

Not good. 
 

 

[istersay]

4 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

Hmmmm......

 

Not good. 
 

 

[Jonathan]

 

[psterina]

Bringing this here, to look at the numbers

 

 

[psterina]

FYI …. Just passing on info, as I come across it 

 

 

[RWG]

7 hours ago, psterina said:

FYI …. Just passing on info, as I come across it 

 

 

 

I think most people would be in favour of letting the government access everyone's mobile data to figure out exactly where people who have the virus have been and who they've come in contact with. I probably would be, and I consider myself an alarmist about surveillance capitalism. The problem is that that would become the new normal... to the extent it's not already, of course.

 

Whether it's that or military in the streets or having your temperature taken before you're allowed in places, there is probably some draconian stuff coming.

[TeamAudra]

13 minutes ago, RWG said:

 

I think most people would be in favour of letting the government access everyone's mobile data to figure out exactly where people who have the virus have been and who they've come in contact with. I probably would be, and I consider myself an alarmist about surveillance capitalism. The problem is that that would become the new normal... to the extent it's not already, of course.

 

Whether it's that or military in the streets or having your temperature taken before you're allowed in places, there is probably some draconian stuff coming.

Maybe in Canada. 
 

Not in the U.S.  Not a chance. 

[RWG]

^ They basically already tacitly consent to it, by the terms and conditions they "agree to," and just in general by having a smartphone.

[TeamAudra]

23 minutes ago, RWG said:

^ They basically already tacitly consent to it, by the terms and conditions they "agree to," and just in general by having a smartphone.

Who Apple shares the information with (without our permission) is a slippery slope. I’m not a lawyer, but I’m skeptical, especially since that tweet was posted by a member who follows conspiracy theorists. I’ve never given Apple my permission to share my location history with the government. I understand there are exceptions, such as in emergency situations, and for law enforcement reasons. Perhaps you’re right, but it’s disturbing, if true. 

Edited March 22, 2020 by TeamAudra

[ATX29]

2 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

Maybe in Canada. 
 

Not in the U.S.  Not a chance. 

Definitely not in Texas, I can tell you that 

[RWG]

1 hour ago, TeamAudra said:

Who Apple shares the information with (without our permission) is a slippery slope. I’m not a lawyer, but I’m skeptical, especially since that tweet was posted by a member who follows conspiracy theorists. I’ve never given Apple my permission to share my location history with the government. I understand there are exceptions, such as in emergency situations, and for law enforcement reasons. Perhaps you’re right, but it’s disturbing, if true. 

 

I don't know about as much about Apple--they're primarily a hardware company--but companies like Google and Facebook will use/share your data how they see fit, and deal with fines, if any even come, later. My point is that I think most people who use these company's products's thinking is "they're already using my data in ways I'm not aware of, so what difference does it make if it their data is being used for good in a pandemic?" Maybe not, I don't know. Anyways, we're getting off topic.

Edited March 22, 2020 by RWG

[istersay]

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop
China	81,093	+39	3,270	+9	72,703	5,120	1,749	56
Italy	59,138		5,476		7,024	46,638	3,000	978
USA	35,070	+1,524	458	+39	178	34,434	795	106
Spain	33,089	+4,321	2,182	+410	3,355	27,552	2,355	708
Germany	26,220	+1,347	111	+17	266	25,843	23	313
Iran	23,049	+1,411	1,812	+127	8,376	12,861		274
France	16,481	+463	674		2,200	13,607	1,746	252
S. Korea	8,961	+64	111	+7	3,166	5,684	59	175
Switzerland	8,234	+760	107	+9	131	7,996	141	951
UK	5,683		281		135	5,267	20	84
Netherlands	4,204		179		2	4,023	354	245
Austria	3,806	+224	16		9	3,781	14	423
Belgium	3,743	+342	88	+13	350	3,305	322	323
Norway	2,415	+30	8	+1	6	2,401	32	445
Sweden	1,934		25	+4	16	1,893	80	191
Australia	1,709	+100	7		88	1,614	11	67
Brazil	1,619	+73	25		2	1,592	18	8
Portugal	1,600		14		5	1,581	26	157
Malaysia	1,518	+212	14	+4	159	1,345	57	47
Canada	1,470		20		14	1,436	1	39
Denmark	1,450	+55	13		1	1,436	55	250
Israel	1,238	+167	1		37	1,200	24	143
Turkey	1,236		30			1,206		15
Czechia	1,165	+45	1		6	1,158	19	109
Japan	1,101		41		235	825	49	9
Ireland	906		4		5	897	29	183
Pakistan	804	+28	6	+1	13	785		4
Luxembourg	798		8		6	784	3	1,275
Ecuador	789		14		3	772	2	45
Thailand	721	+122	1		52	668	7	10
Diamond Princess	712		8		567	137	15
Finland	686	+60	1		10	675	12	124
Poland	684	+50	8	+1	13	663	3	18
Chile	632		1		8	623	7	33
Greece	624		17	+2	19	588	18	60
Indonesia	579	+65	49	+1	30	500		2
Romania	576	+143	4	+1	73	499	15	30
Iceland	568		1		5	562	1	1,665
Saudi Arabia	511				17	494		15
Qatar	494				33	461	6	171
Philippines	462	+82	33	+8	18	411	1	4
Singapore	455		2		144	309	14	78
Russia	438	+71	1		17	420		3
India	425	+29	8	+1	24	393		0.3
Slovenia	414		3	+1		411	12	199
Peru	363		5		1	357	5	11
Hong Kong	356	+38	4		100	252	4	47
Estonia	352	+26			4	348	4	265
Bahrain	339	+5	2		160	177	3	199
Egypt	327		14		56	257		3
Mexico	316	+65	2		4	310	1	2
Panama	313		3		1	309	7	73
Croatia	306	+52	1		5	300	5	75
South Africa	274				2	272		5
Iraq	266	+33	23	+3	62	181		7
Argentina	266		4		27	235		6
Lebanon	256	+8	4		8	244	4	38
Colombia	235	+4	2		3	230		5
Serbia	222		2		2	218	4	25
Dominican Republic	202		3			199		19
Algeria	201		17		65	119		5
Taiwan	195	+26	2		28	165		8
Armenia	194				2	192	6	65
Bulgaria	190	+3	3		3	184	3	27
Kuwait	189	+1			30	159	5	44
Slovakia	186	+1			7	179	2	34
Latvia	180	+41			1	179		95
San Marino	175		20		4	151	13	5,158
Hungary	167	+36	7	+1	16	144	6	17
Uruguay	158					158	2	45
Lithuania	154	+11	1		1	152	1	57
UAE	153		2		38	113	2	15
North Macedonia	136	+21	2	+1	1	133	1	65
Costa Rica	134		2		2	130	2	26
Bosnia and Herzegovina	128	+2	1		2	125	1	39
Morocco	122	+7	4		3	115	1	3
Vietnam	121	+8			17	104	2	1
Faeroe Islands	118	+3			14	104		2,415
Andorra	113		1		1	111	2	1,462
Jordan	112				1	111		11
Malta	107	+17			2	105	1	242
New Zealand	102					102		21
Burkina Faso	99	+24	4		5	90		5
Cyprus	95		1		3	91	3	79
Moldova	94		1		2	91	3	23
Brunei	91	+3			2	89	2	208
Albania	89		5	+3	2	82	2	31
Sri Lanka	87	+5			3	84	2	4
Cambodia	86	+2			2	84	1	5
Tunisia	85	+10	3		1	81	7	7
Belarus	81	+5			22	59		9
Venezuela	77	+7			15	62	2	3
Ukraine	73		3		1	69		2
Senegal	67				5	62		4
Oman	66	+11			17	49		13
Azerbaijan	65		1		11	53		6
Réunion	64				1	63		71
Kazakhstan	62	+2				62		3
Palestine	59				17	42		12
Guadeloupe	58		1			57	4	145
Cameroon	56	+16			2	54		2
Georgia	54				8	46	1	14
Trinidad and Tobago	50					50		36
Liechtenstein	46	+9				46		1,206
Uzbekistan	46	+3				46		1
Martinique	44		1			43	7	117
Afghanistan	40		1		1	38		1
Nigeria	36	+6	1	+1	2	33		0.2
Cuba	35		1			34		3
Channel Islands	35	+3				35		201
Bangladesh	33	+6	3	+1	5	25		0.2
Puerto Rico	31	+8	2	+1		29		11
DRC	30		1			29		0.3
Guam	29	+2	1			28		172
Mauritius	28		2			26	1	22
Bolivia	27	+3				27		2
Honduras	27	+1				27		3
Ivory Coast	25	+11			2	23		0.9
Ghana	24	+1	1			23		0.8
Macao	24	+2			10	14		37
Monaco	23				1	22		586
Montenegro	22	+1	1	+1		21		35
Paraguay	22		1			21	1	3
Mayotte	21	+10				21		77
Guatemala	19		1			18		1
Guyana	19		1			18		24
Jamaica	19		1		2	16		6
Rwanda	19					19		1
French Guiana	18					18		60
French Polynesia	18					18		64
Togo	18	+2				18		2
Barbados	17	+3				17		59
Gibraltar	15				2	13		445
Kenya	15					15		0.3
Kyrgyzstan	14					14		2
Maldives	13				5	8		24
Madagascar	12	+9				12		0.4
Tanzania	12					12		0.2
Ethiopia	11					11		0.10
Mongolia	10					10		3
Aruba	9				1	8		84
New Caledonia	8	+4				8		28
Seychelles	7					7		71
Bermuda	6					6		96
Equatorial Guinea	6					6		4
U.S. Virgin Islands	6					6		57
Gabon	5		1			4		2
Haiti	5	+3				5		0.4
Isle of Man	5					5		59
Saint Martin	5					5		129
Suriname	5					5		9
Bahamas	4					4		10
Greenland	4					4		70
Guinea	4	+2				4		0.3
Eswatini	4					4		3
Cayman Islands	3		1			2		46
Curaçao	3		1			2		18
Cabo Verde	3					3		5
CAR	3					3		0.6
Congo	3					3		0.5
El Salvador	3					3		0.5
Fiji	3	+1				3		3
Liberia	3					3		0.6
Namibia	3					3		1
St. Barth	3					3		304
Zambia	3					3		0.2
Zimbabwe	3					3		0.2
Sudan	2		1			1		0.05
Nepal	2	+1			1	1		0.07
Angola	2					2		0.06
Benin	2					2		0.2
Bhutan	2					2		3
Mauritania	2					2		0.4
Nicaragua	2					2		0.3
Niger	2					2		0.08
Saint Lucia	2					2		11
Gambia	1		1	+1		0		0.4
Antigua and Barbuda	1					1		10
Chad	1					1		0.06
Djibouti	1					1		1
Dominica	1					1		14
Eritrea	1					1		0.3
Grenada	1					1		9
Vatican City	1					1		1,248
Montserrat	1					1		200
Mozambique	1					1		0.03
Papua New Guinea	1					1		0.1
St. Vincent Grenadines	1					1		9
Sint Maarten	1					1		23
Somalia	1					1		0.06
Syria	1					1		0.06
Timor-Leste	1					1		0.8
Uganda	1					1		0.02
Total:	349,841	12,411	15,307	669	100,345	234,189	11,218	44.9

[.:.LoveStory.:.]

My state (Indiana) now has the stay at home order and I highly doubt Kohl’s is considered an essential service for work so another week without work for me...

[TeamAudra]

Update in my home state of MN 

 

-4680 tested 

-235 confirmed cases (5% of those tested)

-1 death  

-8 have been hospitalized. Of those, 5 have been released. 

 

There’s been a testing shortage in my state for about a week, so there are certainly many more infected people out there. They’re only testing those with moderate to severe symptoms and health care workers. The good news is that only 5% of those individuals are testing positive for the COVID-19. 
 

The Governor is in self quarantine after someone in his security detail tested positive. 

 

 

[FunkyFrankie]

It was just announce that all non essential businesses in Ontario are closing tomorrow. 

[Guest]

Here in Mass too! 

 

Who's laid off and panicking? Meeeeeee! 

[ATX29]

Reports are that Austin will follow suit and mandate all non essential services closed tomorrow.  Gov. Abbott is leaving the decision up to the mayors of individual cities, since there are still over 100 counties in the state with 0 confirmed cases.

[ATX29]

3 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

Update in my home state of MN 

 

-4680 tested 

-235 confirmed cases (5% of those tested)

-1 death  

-8 have been hospitalized. Of those, 5 have been released. 

 

There’s been a testing shortage in my state for about a week, so there are certainly many more infected people out there. They’re only testing those with moderate to severe symptoms and health care workers. The good news is that only 5% of those individuals are testing positive for the COVID-19. 
 

The Governor is in self quarantine after someone in his security detail tested positive. 

 

 

 

There is something important in here I think.  The number of positive tests compared to total test is low.  Here in Texas, as of yesterday, about 8700 tests had been administered with about 360 being positive.  6 deaths.  And I hope people can find a little comfort in knowing that contracting this disease is not a death sentence.  The vast majority of those infected are experiencing only minor symptoms and are able to recover at home.  A ray of hope.  Let's hope that it continues that way.

[TeamAudra]

59 minutes ago, ATX29 said:

 

There is something important in here I think.  The number of positive tests compared to total test is low.  Here in Texas, as of yesterday, about 8700 tests had been administered with about 360 being positive.  6 deaths.  And I hope people can find a little comfort in knowing that contracting this disease is not a death sentence.  The vast majority of those infected are experiencing only minor symptoms and are able to recover at home.  A ray of hope.  Let's hope that it continues that way.

Right, that’s the reason I posted the numbers. Consider that they are only testing people with moderate to severe symptoms, consistent with COVID-19, and 95% of them are determined to have some other illness. Meanwhile, our economy is shut down, and some people are literally afraid to leave their homes. It’s bad in New York, and a few other hot spots, but most of the country has very few reported cases, or none at all. 
 

I would encourage you to read this paper, written by Dr. Fauci three weeks ago, where he stated that the true fatality rate could be well below 1%, since there are so many asymptomatic cases, in addition to those with mild symptoms. Those cases are not included in the statistics, since they don’t get tested. He even went as far as to say that the total clinical effect could be akin to a severe seasonal influenza. 
 

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

 

This is all about managing the load on the health care system during flu season, not “stopping” the virus. They’re attempting to spread the infections out over a longer period of time. Eventually, we’ll have effective treatment options and a vaccine. Hopefully soon. 
 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by TeamAudra

[RWG]

Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
https://m.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856/amp

 

Italy has a higher hospital beds per 1,000 people than the United States and Canada.

 

5 hours ago, FunkyFrankie said:

It was just announce that all non essential businesses in Ontario are closing tomorrow. 

 

Mercifully, the LCBO and The Beer Store have been deemed essential. I've read that health officials worry about people getting creative if you take away their access to legal toxins.

Edited March 24, 2020 by RWG

[FunkyFrankie]

8 minutes ago, RWG said:

 

 

 

Mercifully, the LCBO and The Beer Store have been deemed essential. I've read that health officials worry about people getting creative if you take away their access to toxicants.

So they are closing now? 

[RWG]

1 minute ago, FunkyFrankie said:

So they are closing now? 

Nope, they're staying open. Limited hours though. Close at 6 I think.

Edited March 24, 2020 by RWG