CandiceFan12 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Well since the reboot began there have been two female winners count and that was a huge setup for Just Sam i think is her name who won two seasons ago during the lockdown. Then back to a guy last season. Is there any way we could get another female winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) Why does that even matter??? More important - can Idol have a male winner who is Person of Color? That hasn't happened since Ruben Studdard back in 2003. Edited October 2, 2021 by mytake1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, mytake1 said: Why does that even matter??? More important - can Idol have a male winner who is Person of Color? That hasn't happened since Ruben Studdard back in 2003. ^^^ THIS. Give me a black, Hispanic, or ASIAN winner for god's sake! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden98 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, KelseyW said: ^^^ THIS. Give me a black, Hispanic, or ASIAN winner for god's sake! I believe Laine is Asian. He's got Korean ancestry on his mother's side. (I do agree with the sentiment though) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, hayden98 said: I believe Laine is Asian. He's got Korean ancestry on his mother's side. (I do agree with the sentiment though) Laine is a WGWG. He doesn't identifies himself as Asian or represents the Asian commmunity - unlike Arthur Gunn. Edited October 2, 2021 by mytake1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Ok. Let me be blunt then... I want someone of Japanese or Chinese decent... Not a K-Pop or J-Pop star in the making but your average American (Or foreign born!) Joe to show up on Idol. We have had very small amounts of Latinos on this show too. With the major exceptions of David Archuleta, Allison Iraheta, and Alejandro Aranda. Wasn't Jessica Sanchez like the last and first Asian to make the finale? THAT WAS OVER 9 YEARS AGO! So in other words... Give me some FLAVOR to my Idols. I want talented singers but also a variety of faces/styles/people in general? If that makes sense. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, mytake1 said: Laine is a WGWG. He doesn't identifies himself as Asian or represents the Asian commmunity - unlike Arthur Gunn. To be fair... He wore a suit to his Grand Ole Opry performance that featured a decorative Korean design... So he's trying at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goofycilla90 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, hayden98 said: I believe Laine is Asian. He's got Korean ancestry on his mother's side. (I do agree with the sentiment though) laine is asian, yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, goofycilla90 said: laine is asian, yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzontherocks Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 https://www.instagram.com/p/CPY0ae_gpHw/ He also talked about his Korean heritage here. I agree about more diversity. Also, Asia is a large continent filled with over 40 countries. Besides Japan, China, Korea and the Philippines (Southeast Asia), there are countries like Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Thailand and others where talented people can be found. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indodol Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Female hopefully. Last season was so tragic, even in a female dominated season you still get a male Top 2. Typical idol voters I guess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsvaledictorian2017 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 4 hours ago, indodol said: Female hopefully. Last season was so tragic, even in a female dominated season you still get a male Top 2. Typical idol voters I guess It wasn’t totally tragic in my opinion. I mean one of the Top 2 was a soulful black singer (Willie Spence). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsvaledictorian2017 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 It also would be a representation of our world today if one day someone who was gay, bisexual, or transgender won. Also, if someone wasn’t a female or male and just referred to themselves as they/them (Like Demi Lovato) won American Idol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1key Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, indodol said: Female hopefully. Last season was so tragic, even in a female dominated season you still get a male Top 2. Typical idol voters I guess Exactly. If Grace couldnt win last season despite arguably being the best female vocalist in the ABC era (if not, one of the best in the entire series), having an emotional story, being attractive, and being the most pimped contestant of the season by quite a bit, idk what it will take for a woman to win at this point. Maddie's win was actually pretty organic, but Just Sam only won because of the at-home situation. Also, I'm pretty sure Sam identifies as nonbinary now anyways so they dont count as a female winner anymore. Edited December 15, 2021 by m1key 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, m1key said: what it will take for a woman to win at this point. Maddie's win was actually pretty organic, but Just Sam only won because of the at-home situation. Also, I'm pretty sure Sam identifies as nonbinary now anyways so they dont count as a female winner anymore. The problem is the AI voting audience. The primary demo is conservative older, white women - who are more about being Mrs Chayce Bechman, Mrs Laine Hardy - than voting for a female or a male person of color. Maddie luck out. She was in the 1st reboot season, which attracted curiosity viewers. And Just Sam only won because the live voting benefited the Eastern Time Zone - and shut out anyone from the West coast. Edited December 15, 2021 by mytake1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1key Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, mytake1 said: The problem is the AI voting audience. The primary demo is conservative older, white women - who are more about being Mrs Chayce Bechman, Mrs Laine Hardy - than voting for a female or a male person of color. Maddie luck out. She was in the 1st reboot season, which attracted curiosity viewers. And Just Sam only won because the live voting benefited the Eastern Time Zone - and shut out anyone from the West coast. I totally get what you are saying, but I do not think the demo is as conservative as some may think. Dancing with the Stars has the same demo as Idol/also airs on ABC and the Final 2 for S30 (which ended last month) was a black man (Iman Shumpert) and a female same sex couple (JoJo Siwa). We also have Brandon Leake who won AGT S15 in 2020 as a black spoken word poet after having a whole live show performance dedicated to Black Lives Matter, and AGT has a pretty conservative demographic as well. So I do think that the conservative demographic is still existent and has the power to dominate the votes, but I dont think contestants are losing just because they are not a WGWG. It has to do with genuine interests in the artists. Edited December 15, 2021 by m1key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, m1key said: So I do think that the conservative demographic is still existent and has the power to dominate the votes, but I dont think contestants are losing just because they are not a WGWG. It has to do with genuine interests in the artists. I said the primary voting demo for Idol is conservative, older white women - who favors the white male contestants - Taylor, Cook, Kris, Lee, Scotty, Phillip, Caleb, Nick, Trent, Laine, Chayce. How else can you explain Grace and Willie, who are both better singers - losing to Chayce? And how else can you explain that Idol has not had an African American male win since Ruben? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, mytake1 said: I said the primary voting demo for Idol is conservative, older white women - who favors the white male contestants - Taylor, Cook, Kris, Lee, Scotty, Phillip, Caleb, Nick, Trent, Laine, Chayce. How else can you explain Grace and Willie, who are both better singers - losing to Chayce? And how else can you explain that Idol has not had an African American male win since Ruben? Chayce has had the hit single though. Where is Willie's and Grace's singles? I'm still holding out hope that Casey Bishop will be the true star of this bunch. Rock needs an artist like her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, KelseyW said: Chayce has had the hit single though. Where is Willie's and Grace's singles? I'm still holding out hope that Casey Bishop will be the true star of this bunch. Rock needs an artist like her! Does he really have a hit single? It has about 18M streams on Spotify in 7 mos. Then there's Benson Boone, whose single is already at 60M streams in 2 mos. He's technically not an alum, since he dropped out, but Idol will try to take credit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1key Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 4 hours ago, mytake1 said: I said the primary voting demo for Idol is conservative, older white women - who favors the white male contestants - Taylor, Cook, Kris, Lee, Scotty, Phillip, Caleb, Nick, Trent, Laine, Chayce. How else can you explain Grace and Willie, who are both better singers - losing to Chayce? And how else can you explain that Idol has not had an African American male win since Ruben? Idol has never been just a singing show though. Its been about looks, story, personality, etc. Im not going to lie and say him being an attractive straight white male didnt have a part in him winning, but I think viewers found him more rootable and down to earth than Grace who could have been viewed as a diva and Willie who was just not as interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mytake1 said: Does he really have a hit single? It has about 18M streams on Spotify in 7 mos. Then there's Benson Boone, whose single is already at 60M streams in 2 mos. He's technically not an alum, since he dropped out, but Idol will try to take credit. Good point. Hey. At least he was on a late night show promoting it! That's more than some ABC Idol winners can say. IMO Edited December 16, 2021 by KelseyW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, m1key said: Idol has never been just a singing show though. Its been about looks, story, personality, etc. Im not going to lie and say him being an attractive straight white male didnt have a part in him winning, but I think viewers found him more rootable and down to earth than Grace who could have been viewed as a diva and Willie who was just not as interesting. Grace isn't a diva. She has a very likeable personality. The problem is the voting demographic. An older conservative white woman is likely going to favor the white male contestant. In the early days of Idol - Kelly, Ruben, Fantasia, Carrie, Jordin were able to win because the there was a more diverse mix with viewers. But that shrunk over the years. Maddie lucked out with the casual viewers who tuned in for the reboot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytake1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, KelseyW said: Good point. Hey. At least he was on a late night show promoting it! That's more than some ABC Idol winners can say. IMO Maddie, Laine, Alejandro all performed on Kimmel. Edited December 16, 2021 by mytake1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelseyW Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 ^^^ OH. I should've known that. lol I'm a Maddie/Alejandro/Laine fan and yeah I can't keep up with all of their stuff sometimes. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverGreen05 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Hoping for a female but I think a male will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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