season1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 From Babylon Bee: Excerpt: "It was a lively debate," said one source from inside the Wuhan lab. "Yuhang suggested we just keep following the Greek alphabet and name it Xi. We haven't heard from him in a few days, come to think of it." --- Some people call it the "Midterm variant." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, TeamAudra said: I’ve had to educate some people over the last few days, who I thought would know better, about breakthrough cases. I don’t think they wanted to hear it, but they needed to hear it. They thought the vaccine made them bulletproof against hospitalization and death. Of course, I came armed with evidence. They get it now. The data is out there. I blame the Biden administration and the media for not giving people the facts. I guess that wouldn’t have fit in with the narrative that the summer surge in the South was the fault of the Republican Governors and unvaccinated people. Some people would just accept the narrative pushed by "experts" and "authorities", disseminated by the corporate media. For them, thinking is hard, and research is too much work. It's easier to just go with the flow even if the flow leads to a cliff. Compliance seems easier, but at what cost? Think Carefully About Accepting The Concept of Vaccine Passports From Australia: Freedom Day? You have a barcode on your forehead Conspiracy theories? Although "conspiracy theorists" seem to be prescient nowadays. From August 2020: Archived video from Sept 2020: A Canadian protesting mask mandates Edited November 29, 2021 by season1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamAudra Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, season1 said: Some people would just accept the narrative pushed by "experts" and "authorities", disseminated by the corporate media. For them, thinking is hard, and research is too much work. It's easier to just go with the flow even if the flow leads to a cliff. Compliance seems easier, but at what cost? Think Carefully About Accepting The Concept of Vaccine Passports From Australia: Freedom Day? You have a barcode on your forehead Conspiracy theories? Although "conspiracy theorists" seem to be prescient nowadays. From August 2020: Archived video from Sept 2020: A Canadian protesting mask mandates The lack of support for, and in many cases, the mocking of the use of therapeutics is the biggest scandal of all. Edit: And the rationing. Edited November 29, 2021 by TeamAudra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, TeamAudra said: The lack of support for, and in many cases, the mocking of the use of therapeutics is the biggest scandal of all. Edit: And the rationing. Don't forget the social media censorship of information that does not conform to the official narrative of "vaccine only". Recently, a judge has to order a hospital to allow a patient be treated with a medicine that works. Partial article below: Mary Beth Pfeiffer Nov 23 190 201 Sun Ng at Edward Hospital in Napierville, Illinois, where officials refused, until ordered by a court, to administer life-saving ivermectin for covid. (Photo by daughter Man Kwan Ng as submitted to the court.) Sun Ng, a retired contractor from Hong Kong, traveled to Illinois to celebrate his only granddaughter’s first birthday. He got covid and was near death in a Chicago-area hospital. All other options were exhausted, but the hospital refused to give Mr. Ng a generic, FDA-approved drug with an extraordinary safety record that a doctor believed could safe his life. Finally, a judge asked the right question about ivermectin. “What’s the downside?” Put another way: If a man is dying of covid in an ICU and all else has been tried, why not order a hospital to give a safe, last-ditch drug? Edward Hospital, located near Chicago, offered three arguments as to why Sun Ng, seventy-one, should not be given ivermectin: There could be side effects. Ordering ivermectin would violate its policies. Forcing the issue would be “extraordinary” judicial overreach. On each argument, DuPage County Circuit Court Judge Paul Fullerton firmly disagreed. “I can’t think of a more extraordinary situation than when we are talking about a man’s life,” he said in a November 5 decision that is a model of rational decision-making in an irrational era. “I am not forcing this hospital to do anything other than to step aside,” he continued in a Zoom hearing. “I am just asking—or not asking—I am ordering through the Court’s power to allow Dr. Bain to have the emergency privileges and administer this medicine.” The hospital ultimately stepped aside. Dr. Alan Bain, an internist, administered a five-day course of 24 milligrams of ivermectin, from November 8 through November 12. ... Ng, who with his wife, Ying, had come from Hong Kong to celebrate their granddaughter’s birthday, was able to breathe without a ventilator within five days—he, in fact, removed the endotracheal himself. He left the ICU Tuesday, November 16, and, although confused and weak, was breathing Sunday without supplemental oxygen on a regular hospital floor. “Every day after ivermectin, there was accelerated and stable improvement,” said Dr. Bain, who administered the drug in two previous court cases after hospitals refused. “Three times we’ve shown something,” he told me. “There’s a signal of benefit for ventilator patients.” READ MORE: https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-stands-up-to-a-hospital-step The court order: https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/399/69948/11-5-21-Ng-v-Edward-Elmhurst-et-al.-Judges-Ruling-transcript.pdf The rest of the article below: Read more: https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-stands-up-to-a-hospital-step Ng’s remarkable progress stands in sharp relief to the repeated attempts by Edward-Elmhurst Health, the hospital’s managing system, to thwart the use of ivermectin. It succeeded in having the court’s initial November 1 order dismissed by claiming Ng was in better health than his lawsuit contended (he wasn’t). It then defied the November 5 order, saying Dr. Bain was not vaccinated (a negative test resolved the issue). Moreover, after Ng’s treatment was complete, the hospital system filed notice that it would appeal the order that had already been carried out. It did this even though Sun Ng seemed to have benefited greatly. The patient’s improvement, or condition generally, did not seem to matter. At the outset, the hospital argued against court intervention, saying, “Mr. Ng is not terminal at this point.” But it was forced to admit that he had for days teetered on the brink of death after Ng’s daughter and only child, Man Kwan Ng, spoke to a hospital doctor November 3—and took copious notes that were submitted to the court. “I am not forcing this hospital to do anything other than to step aside.” —Judge Paul Fullerton's ruling The doctor told Dr. Ng, who holds a PhD in mechanical engineering, “He has been in the same state for many, many days…critically ill,” according to a court affidavit. A nurse, meantime, suggested that Dr. Ng “stop all this aggressive care and let [her father] die naturally.” The hospital doctor estimated that “someone in his condition being on a ventilator like that has a 10 or 15 percent chance of survival,” the judge recounted in his decision. That bleak prediction wasn’t an option for Ng’s wife of forty years or the daughter fighting on his behalf. “We love him dearly,” Dr. Ng said in court papers. “He is our world…I cannot give up on him, even if the Defendants have.” The judge’s finest moment may have been when he dashed the most glaring myth about ivermectin—that it is not safe, despite decades of use that shows otherwise. Noting that all drugs have side effects, Judge Fullerton listed ivermectin’s effects from a government website. “(N)umber one, generally well tolerated; number two, dizziness; number three, pruritus; number four, nausea/diarrhea. These are the side effects for the dosage that's being asked to be administered,” he said. “The risks of these side effects are so minimal that Mr. Ng’s current situation outweighs that risk by one-hundredfold.” Dr. Alan Bain, having been first duly sworn, deposes and says as follows: Dr. Alan Bain gave a supplemental affidavit testifying to his successful use of ivermectin to treat covid-19 in gravely ill patients. Judge Fullerton ordered the hospital to “step aside” and allow him to give the drug that saved Mr. Ng’s life. If he hadn’t yet made his position clear, the judge then addressed the statement by a hospital doctor who, the judge said, “testified that the risk is that there is no benefit.” On the contrary, the judge said, “The possible benefit this Court sees is helping save Mr. Ng’s life with this drug.” Ralph Lorigo is a Buffalo, New York, attorney who represented Ng and has received inquiries on behalf of fifty more patients since September. He said the Ng case was by far the costliest so far with three decisions, four court appearances, and now an appeal that is certainly moot. “That’s a terrible set of circumstances that people have to hire a lawyer to save a loved one’s life,” Lorigo told me. “That is a crime.” Lorigo battled another hospital in the Edward-Elmhurst Health system last spring in a similarly drawn-out case to get ivermectin for Nurije Fype, sixty-eight. Her case inspired Dr. Ng to file suit—for good reason. Desareda Fype, who was a fierce advocate on her mother’s behalf, texted me last week: “Mom is doing sooo good, thank God! It’s been 4.5 months. Mom is home from the hospital and getting stronger each day!” In an interview Sunday, Dr. Ng said her father is not out of the woods yet. But ivermectin made a clear difference, she said. Before given the medication, every attempt to wean her father even briefly from the respirator failed. Within eight hours on the medication, he was able to undergo a one-hour breathing trial. “I am positive,” she told me when I asked if she credits ivermectin. While Dr. Bain was well aware of ivemectin’s ability to fight the covid virus in early infection, even he was surprised to discover its late-stage effectiveness. “It quells the fire of the inflammatory storm and also helps to lower the progression of stiffened lungs—aka pulmonary fibrosis,” he said. “That’s the beauty of this drug. I’m not saying it’s a cure. It’s just amazing.” Here's the court order: https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/399/69948/11-5-21-Ng-v-Edward-Elmhurst-et-al.-Judges-Ruling-transcript.pdf It is sad that people have to sue hospitals to let a doctor administer life saving treatment. Edited November 29, 2021 by season1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 13 hours ago, TeamAudra said: F*ck this guy. Even my Democrat Governor said nope to more lockdowns and mask mandates, in the middle of a surge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 11:13 AM, TeamAudra said: Trump has been out bragging about the vaccine. I’ve seen a couple things very recently. Here’s one of them from last week. That’s an interesting strategy. All you have to do is read the comments under this tweet to know it will go over like a lead balloon if he says this during the primaries (assuming he runs again). <sigh> This is one of his biggest problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 10 hours ago, season1 said: Don't forget the social media censorship of information that does not conform to the official narrative of "vaccine only". Recently, a judge has to order a hospital to allow a patient be treated with a medicine that works. Partial article below: Mary Beth Pfeiffer Nov 23 190 201 Sun Ng at Edward Hospital in Napierville, Illinois, where officials refused, until ordered by a court, to administer life-saving ivermectin for covid. (Photo by daughter Man Kwan Ng as submitted to the court.) Sun Ng, a retired contractor from Hong Kong, traveled to Illinois to celebrate his only granddaughter’s first birthday. He got covid and was near death in a Chicago-area hospital. All other options were exhausted, but the hospital refused to give Mr. Ng a generic, FDA-approved drug with an extraordinary safety record that a doctor believed could safe his life. Finally, a judge asked the right question about ivermectin. “What’s the downside?” Put another way: If a man is dying of covid in an ICU and all else has been tried, why not order a hospital to give a safe, last-ditch drug? Edward Hospital, located near Chicago, offered three arguments as to why Sun Ng, seventy-one, should not be given ivermectin: There could be side effects. Ordering ivermectin would violate its policies. Forcing the issue would be “extraordinary” judicial overreach. On each argument, DuPage County Circuit Court Judge Paul Fullerton firmly disagreed. “I can’t think of a more extraordinary situation than when we are talking about a man’s life,” he said in a November 5 decision that is a model of rational decision-making in an irrational era. “I am not forcing this hospital to do anything other than to step aside,” he continued in a Zoom hearing. “I am just asking—or not asking—I am ordering through the Court’s power to allow Dr. Bain to have the emergency privileges and administer this medicine.” The hospital ultimately stepped aside. Dr. Alan Bain, an internist, administered a five-day course of 24 milligrams of ivermectin, from November 8 through November 12. ... Ng, who with his wife, Ying, had come from Hong Kong to celebrate their granddaughter’s birthday, was able to breathe without a ventilator within five days—he, in fact, removed the endotracheal himself. He left the ICU Tuesday, November 16, and, although confused and weak, was breathing Sunday without supplemental oxygen on a regular hospital floor. “Every day after ivermectin, there was accelerated and stable improvement,” said Dr. Bain, who administered the drug in two previous court cases after hospitals refused. “Three times we’ve shown something,” he told me. “There’s a signal of benefit for ventilator patients.” READ MORE: https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-stands-up-to-a-hospital-step The court order: https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/399/69948/11-5-21-Ng-v-Edward-Elmhurst-et-al.-Judges-Ruling-transcript.pdf The rest of the article below: Hide contents Read more: https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-stands-up-to-a-hospital-step Reveal hidden contents Ng’s remarkable progress stands in sharp relief to the repeated attempts by Edward-Elmhurst Health, the hospital’s managing system, to thwart the use of ivermectin. It succeeded in having the court’s initial November 1 order dismissed by claiming Ng was in better health than his lawsuit contended (he wasn’t). It then defied the November 5 order, saying Dr. Bain was not vaccinated (a negative test resolved the issue). Moreover, after Ng’s treatment was complete, the hospital system filed notice that it would appeal the order that had already been carried out. It did this even though Sun Ng seemed to have benefited greatly. The patient’s improvement, or condition generally, did not seem to matter. At the outset, the hospital argued against court intervention, saying, “Mr. Ng is not terminal at this point.” But it was forced to admit that he had for days teetered on the brink of death after Ng’s daughter and only child, Man Kwan Ng, spoke to a hospital doctor November 3—and took copious notes that were submitted to the court. “I am not forcing this hospital to do anything other than to step aside.” —Judge Paul Fullerton's ruling The doctor told Dr. Ng, who holds a PhD in mechanical engineering, “He has been in the same state for many, many days…critically ill,” according to a court affidavit. A nurse, meantime, suggested that Dr. Ng “stop all this aggressive care and let [her father] die naturally.” The hospital doctor estimated that “someone in his condition being on a ventilator like that has a 10 or 15 percent chance of survival,” the judge recounted in his decision. That bleak prediction wasn’t an option for Ng’s wife of forty years or the daughter fighting on his behalf. “We love him dearly,” Dr. Ng said in court papers. “He is our world…I cannot give up on him, even if the Defendants have.” The judge’s finest moment may have been when he dashed the most glaring myth about ivermectin—that it is not safe, despite decades of use that shows otherwise. Noting that all drugs have side effects, Judge Fullerton listed ivermectin’s effects from a government website. “(N)umber one, generally well tolerated; number two, dizziness; number three, pruritus; number four, nausea/diarrhea. These are the side effects for the dosage that's being asked to be administered,” he said. “The risks of these side effects are so minimal that Mr. Ng’s current situation outweighs that risk by one-hundredfold.” Dr. Alan Bain, having been first duly sworn, deposes and says as follows: Dr. Alan Bain gave a supplemental affidavit testifying to his successful use of ivermectin to treat covid-19 in gravely ill patients. Judge Fullerton ordered the hospital to “step aside” and allow him to give the drug that saved Mr. Ng’s life. If he hadn’t yet made his position clear, the judge then addressed the statement by a hospital doctor who, the judge said, “testified that the risk is that there is no benefit.” On the contrary, the judge said, “The possible benefit this Court sees is helping save Mr. Ng’s life with this drug.” Ralph Lorigo is a Buffalo, New York, attorney who represented Ng and has received inquiries on behalf of fifty more patients since September. He said the Ng case was by far the costliest so far with three decisions, four court appearances, and now an appeal that is certainly moot. “That’s a terrible set of circumstances that people have to hire a lawyer to save a loved one’s life,” Lorigo told me. “That is a crime.” Lorigo battled another hospital in the Edward-Elmhurst Health system last spring in a similarly drawn-out case to get ivermectin for Nurije Fype, sixty-eight. Her case inspired Dr. Ng to file suit—for good reason. Desareda Fype, who was a fierce advocate on her mother’s behalf, texted me last week: “Mom is doing sooo good, thank God! It’s been 4.5 months. Mom is home from the hospital and getting stronger each day!” In an interview Sunday, Dr. Ng said her father is not out of the woods yet. But ivermectin made a clear difference, she said. Before given the medication, every attempt to wean her father even briefly from the respirator failed. Within eight hours on the medication, he was able to undergo a one-hour breathing trial. “I am positive,” she told me when I asked if she credits ivermectin. While Dr. Bain was well aware of ivemectin’s ability to fight the covid virus in early infection, even he was surprised to discover its late-stage effectiveness. “It quells the fire of the inflammatory storm and also helps to lower the progression of stiffened lungs—aka pulmonary fibrosis,” he said. “That’s the beauty of this drug. I’m not saying it’s a cure. It’s just amazing.” Here's the court order: https://images.law.com/contrib/content/uploads/documents/399/69948/11-5-21-Ng-v-Edward-Elmhurst-et-al.-Judges-Ruling-transcript.pdf It is sad that people have to sue hospitals to let a doctor administer life saving treatment. OMG, bravo the to judge! This needs to spread far and wide. I believe VA doesn't allow ivermectin, either, but hopefully that will change shortly. Besides, I think this incident is proof that it has an effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamAudra Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, monkshood said: <sigh> This is one of his biggest problems. If you’re his debate opponent, you don’t even have to say anything. Just wait for him to bring it up (or the question to be asked), and let him talk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Judge issued a preliminary injunction on the vaccine mandate for healthcare workers in 10 states: Alaska Arkansas Iowa Kansas Missouri Nebraska New Hampshire North Dakota South Dakota Wyoming Court Order Link The case is Missouri v. Biden, No. 4:21-cv-1329 in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri. Under the Biden administration’s mandate, healthcare workers who work at hospitals, nursing homes, and other healthcare facilities that receive federal funding have been ordered to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by January 4, receive a medical or religious exemption, or face firing. Read more... Edited November 30, 2021 by season1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) The injunction on the vaccine mandate for healthcare workers is now nationwide. A federal judge from the Western District of Louisiana issued the injunction. Another well written court order. EDIT: Another judge issued an injunction on the vaccine mandate for federal contractors in 3 states: KY, OH and TN. This could become a nationwide stay as there are similar lawsuits in other states. Edited December 1, 2021 by season1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamAudra Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I’m now convinced they didn’t expect the mandates to stick, and that it’s all a ploy to divert attention from Afghanistan, the border, inflation, etc. They have smart lawyers on their side too, who know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, TeamAudra said: I’m now convinced they didn’t expect the mandates to stick, and that it’s all a ploy to divert attention from Afghanistan, the border, inflation, etc. They have smart lawyers on their side too, who know better. They knew the mandates will be challenged but they have the media to gaslight the people affected and coerced them to get vaccinated to keep their jobs. Now they're hyping up the Omicron Persei 8 variant to push the boosters. I'm glad that the Trump appointed/nominated judges are finally acting on the lawsuits and issuing injunctions while the cases are being deliberated. Edited December 1, 2021 by season1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Karma at its finest: https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/12/01/clay-travis-others-have-thoughts-about-what-lebron-james-something-fishy-going-on-tweet-is-about/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Hi Omi https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/12/01/dont-they-mean-florida-first-case-of-omicron-variant-identified-in-the-fortress-against-covid19-that-is-california/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 OK, last link. The two Gutfeld! twitter links in the piece are spot-on. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2021/12/01/gutfeld-ratings-explosion-beats-late-night-giants-jimmy-kimmel-and-jimmy-fallon-n1538090 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, monkshood said: Karma at its finest: https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/12/01/clay-travis-others-have-thoughts-about-what-lebron-james-something-fishy-going-on-tweet-is-about/ Maybe Lebron can talk to Kyrie and find out what's rotten in Wuhan. --- 8 hours ago, monkshood said: OK, last link. The two Gutfeld! twitter links in the piece are spot-on. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2021/12/01/gutfeld-ratings-explosion-beats-late-night-giants-jimmy-kimmel-and-jimmy-fallon-n1538090 The skits on Gutfeld! are funny, unlike the other late shows. So I am not surprised the show is dominating in ratings. Edited December 3, 2021 by season1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Cleveland Clinic halted its vaccine mandate. Hopefully, more hospital systems and companies would halt their mandates and wait on the resolution of the numerous court cases challenging the vaccine mandate. And I hope those who lost their jobs for refusing the vaccine would get their job back (or sue the company). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaky Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 So for conservatives here One of the tenants of conservative ideology is tough on crime. If abortion is effectively banned in red states how do you feel about the inevitable rise in crime, drug use, and child abuse especially in poor communities as a result of unfit parents? Are you willing to provide more social services to famlies in need? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 20 hours ago, sneaky said: So for conservatives here One of the tenants of conservative ideology is tough on crime. If abortion is effectively banned in red states how do you feel about the inevitable rise in crime, drug use, and child abuse especially in poor communities as a result of unfit parents? Are you willing to provide more social services to famlies in need? First, I'd like to make a correction: abortion is NOT being banned in the Mississippi case. It's being limited to 15 weeks. Did you know that the original version of Roe v. Wade was limited to 20 weeks, except in special cases? Now, it's up to birth in some places, which I find repulsive. You can thank organizations like Planned Parenthood for that, because abortions make them money. I'm not a full-on conservative, and this subject is near and dear to my heart. I've had two abortions--the first when I was 19 and my parents/boyfriend essentially made the decision. The second time I was much older and my soon-to-be husband preferred that I have one. The first one crushed me. The second one was probably a better medical option because I was experiencing some issues. Still, I wonder what kind of life those children may have had. Most of your statement/premise is a bunch of gobbledygook. We still have those problems despite Roe being enacted back in the 70s. Access to abortion didn't change that. You're just trying to guilt-trip people with stupidity. If you turn the authority back to the states, that means each state gets to decide what, if any, limitations to impose on abortion. Therefore, a person can travel somewhere else to get an abortion. So it's not like the world is coming to an end. More important to me is the fact that the father of the child has absolutely no responsibility for the pregnancy/resulting child in the current environment, and abortion has exacerbated this. He can walk off and leave the woman to fend for herself. The father of the child must take responsibility for his actions, not just the woman. I'm not suggesting forced marriage, but forced financial support to prevent the things you talk about. I think that's the biggest fear most women have once they discover they're pregnant--how am I going to support myself and a child? How do I pay the medical bills? Those are serious issues. However, if a woman is getting an abortion just because it interferes with her lifestyle, I suggest she look into better birth control, because abortions do take a toll on the body. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamAudra Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 22 hours ago, sneaky said: So for conservatives here One of the tenants of conservative ideology is tough on crime. If abortion is effectively banned in red states how do you feel about the inevitable rise in crime, drug use, and child abuse especially in poor communities as a result of unfit parents? Are you willing to provide more social services to famlies in need? It’s not near the top of priorities for me, but arguing for abortion as a crime prevention measure is probably not going to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaky Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, monkshood said: First, I'd like to make a correction: abortion is NOT being banned in the Mississippi case. It's being limited to 15 weeks. Did you know that the original version of Roe v. Wade was limited to 20 weeks, except in special cases? Now, it's up to birth in some places, which I find repulsive. You can thank organizations like Planned Parenthood for that, because abortions make them money. I'm not a full-on conservative, and this subject is near and dear to my heart. I've had two abortions--the first when I was 19 and my parents/boyfriend essentially made the decision. The second time I was much older and my soon-to-be husband preferred that I have one. The first one crushed me. The second one was probably a better medical option because I was experiencing some issues. Still, I wonder what kind of life those children may have had. Most of your statement/premise is a bunch of gobbledygook. We still have those problems despite Roe being enacted back in the 70s. Access to abortion didn't change that. You're just trying to guilt-trip people with stupidity. If you turn the authority back to the states, that means each state gets to decide what, if any, limitations to impose on abortion. Therefore, a person can travel somewhere else to get an abortion. So it's not like the world is coming to an end. More important to me is the fact that the father of the child has absolutely no responsibility for the pregnancy/resulting child in the current environment, and abortion has exacerbated this. He can walk off and leave the woman to fend for herself. The father of the child must take responsibility for his actions, not just the woman. I'm not suggesting forced marriage, but forced financial support to prevent the things you talk about. I think that's the biggest fear most women have once they discover they're pregnant--how am I going to support myself and a child? How do I pay the medical bills? Those are serious issues. However, if a woman is getting an abortion just because it interferes with her lifestyle, I suggest she look into better birth control, because abortions do take a toll on the body. First off, I'm sorry you had to go through that. Mississippi is a little more reasonable as even Europen countries tend to have a cut off at 15-20 weeks. But I'm talking about places like TX and OH where abortion is outlawed effectively once Roe V Wade ends. The ones in most need cant just pick up and travel to another state. I agree about Fathers but conservative states have less strict laws when it comes to making sure Fathers support the child. They aren't planning on changing that And if people feel guilty about what I said about crime rates, child abuse, etc that's on them. I'm just stating the logical outcome and they are trying to excuse themselves from it. People getting defensive is usually a sign they know they may be wrong Edited December 5, 2021 by sneaky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) On 12/5/2021 at 1:02 PM, sneaky said: And if people feel guilty about what I said about crime rates, child abuse, etc that's on them. I'm just stating the logical outcome and they are trying to excuse themselves from it. People getting defensive is usually a sign they know they may be wrong Look in the mirror. You're operating from a fallacy of cause/effect, and I'd like you to cite the stats on that statement about conservative states having less strict laws regarding paternal support. Beyond that, I'm wondering if you realize that I do support abortion in the early term. I just also support state's rights. Edited December 8, 2021 by monkshood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkshood Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Interesting details here: https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/12/07/new-report-shows-push-for-electric-cars-is-actually-killing-rainforests-n488088 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Merriam-Webster defines "anti-vaxxer" to include those who are opposed to the vaccine mandates. Archive link I guess some here are now "anti-vaxxers" according to Merriam-Webster (online) dictionary without realizing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
season1 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Up to 4 doses soon. Three shots will eventually become "not fully vaccinated." Triple vaccinated and infected. Edited December 9, 2021 by season1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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