totes4totes Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, 1234567890 said: @Deeee'S Shrek and Beauty and the Beast analogy leading to all of this. it was such a bad take that we couldn't handle it!!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I mean if we're using Shrek 4 to bring down Shrek 1 and 2, can't we use Emma Watson Beauty and the Beast or whatever the hell their fourth movie "Belle's Tales of Friendship" is to bring down Beauty and the Beast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, 1234567890 said: He'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogLenzen Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Leave it to Dee to bring up a non-Disney movie in the Disney rankdown... where have we seen that before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Alex95 said: I mean if we're using Shrek 4 to bring down Shrek 1 and 2, can't we use Emma Watson Beauty and the Beast or whatever the hell their fourth movie "Belle's Tales of Friendship" is to bring down Beauty and the Beast? THE TEA. Or how about anything that isn't the original to bring down that whole series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, FrogLenzen said: Leave it to Dee to bring up a non-Disney movie in the Disney rankdown... where have we seen that before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, *Chris said: So does the majority of the population! Based on what facts? Shrek received similar critical acclaim, won Academy Awards, and grossed more at the box office? So like, this is not necessarily true. It also spawned just as big of a franchise. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alex95 said: I mean if we're using Shrek 4 to bring down Shrek 1 and 2, can't we use Emma Watson Beauty and the Beast or whatever the hell their fourth movie "Belle's Tales of Friendship" is to bring down Beauty and the Beast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, totes4totes said: it was such a bad take that we couldn't handle it!!!!!!! Such a bad take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totes4totes Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Alex95 said: I mean if we're using Shrek 4 to bring down Shrek 1 and 2, can't we use Emma Watson Beauty and the Beast or whatever the hell their fourth movie "Belle's Tales of Friendship" is to bring down Beauty and the Beast? NO BECAUSE I HAVE HYPOCRITICAL DOUBLE STANDARDS. But actually. like I said. I don't like Shrek 2 and don't think it's a very good movie and a lot of the humor in Shrek doesn't really appeal to me. I think Shrek is a good movie but I think a lot of the references cause the movie to age poorly. And also just as an artifact of the time, CGI doesn't age as well as traditionally hand-animated films (even early Pixar movies have this issue like the humans in Toy Story are kind of really bad, but their stories are very good which is why they hold up, even through like The Incredibles, Pixar made very stylish choices to depict humans in order to avoid that CGI for human characters wasn't great. Compare like Elastigirl to Fiona). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deeee said: Based on what facts? Shrek received similar critical acclaim, won Academy Awards, and grossed more at the box office? So like, this is not necessarily true. It also spawned just as big of a franchise. Oops. The remake made 1.2 billion at the box office. And adjusting for inflation Beauty and the Beast made more than Shrek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 1234567890 said: The remake made 1.2 billion at the box office. And adjusting for inflation Beauty and the Beast made more than Shrek. You're comparing Disney's, like, 50th animated movie to Dreamworks' second animated movie after Antz. Shrek becoming a cultural icon despite coming from nothing is insanely impressive. Edited September 23, 2020 by Alex95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogLenzen Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 For those of you just tuning in, here's a helpful summary of the last two pages: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alex95 said: You're comparing Disney's, like, 50th animated movie to Dreamworks' second animated movie after Antz. Shrek becoming a cultural icon despite coming from nothing is insanely impressive. BOOM. 5 minutes ago, 1234567890 said: The remake made 1.2 billion at the box office. And adjusting for inflation Beauty and the Beast made more than Shrek. Sis, nobody is checking for that bogus live-action remake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totes4totes Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, totes4totes said: But actually. like I said. I don't like Shrek 2 and don't think it's a very good movie and a lot of the humor in Shrek doesn't really appeal to me. I think Shrek is a good movie but I think a lot of the references cause the movie to age poorly. And also just as an artifact of the time, CGI doesn't age as well as traditionally hand-animated films (even early Pixar movies have this issue like the humans in Toy Story are kind of really bad, but their stories are very good which is why they hold up, even through like The Incredibles, Pixar made very stylish choices to depict humans in order to avoid that CGI for human characters wasn't great. Compare like Elastigirl to Fiona). I'll also add (and this is an issue for Mushu in Mulan as well) that Eddie Murphy's voice work doesn't age as well because it's all "This is Eddie Murphy! As an animated character! In a movie!" (but I blame Aladdin for starting all of that!!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 If we're talking voice work, Jennifer Saunders is Oscar worthy in Shrek 2! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Alex95 said: You're comparing Disney's, like, 50th animated movie to Dreamworks' second animated movie after Antz. Shrek becoming a cultural icon despite coming from nothing is insanely impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deeee said: Sis, nobody is checking for that bogus live-action remake. You still failed to fact check yourself on that the fact that Beauty and the Beast did in fact gross more than Shrek when adjusted for inflation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, FrogLenzen said: For those of you just tuning in, here's a helpful summary of the last two pages: Pretty much. Leave it to @Deeee to start an argument that doesn't pertain to the rankdown at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alex95 said: If we're talking voice work, Jennifer Saunders is Oscar worthy in Shrek 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 @Alex95 is giving me life tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567890 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alex95 said: If we're talking voice work, Jennifer Saunders is Oscar worthy in Shrek 2! Voice actors don't get Oscars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex95 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The Fairy Godmother is legit my favorite animated character ever. Either her or Yzma #SpoilersForMyNumberOne #EveryoneBeenKnew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeee Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Alex95 said: The Fairy Godmother is legit my favorite animated character ever. Either her or Yzma #SpoilersForMyNumberOne #EveryoneBeenKnew The Fairy Godmother is easily in my Top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totes4totes Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) Shrek and Beauty and the Beast are both movies that came at the right time to take advantage of things that people had been wanting and technologies of the time. Though The Little Mermaid was the movie to kick off the Disney Renaissance, Beauty and the Beast was the movie that brought back the prestige and quality to the Disney brand that hadn't really been seen culturally since the 60s when Walt Disney passed. I think saying Dreamworks came from nothing is a bit of an overexaggeration considering that Steven Spielberg was the founder and had a lot of success in the animated space with most notably Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, and Freakazoid. And of course Jeffrey Katzenberg came from Disney. It wasn't some rinky dink studio that came from no where. But I think they found they really couldn't compete with Disney in terms of financial success in the 2D space (Prince of Egypt and Road to El Dorado are both incredibly fantastic movies) but found that with ANTZ going directly against A Bug's Life that there was space in 3D animated movies due to how actually well ANTZ fared against the more well known competition. Also, animated movies were probably going to be trending towards 3D anyway, so they kind of got the jump on that and were able to make it their brand. And Chicken Run is still the highest grossing stop-animated film! And Shrek kind of solidified the move to largely CGI (Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron not being great probably factored in as well). That's all kind of speculation. Edited September 23, 2020 by totes4totes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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