The American Politics Thread!

[TeamAudra]

TS has also banned people for posting about J6. 
 

 

[RTV]

 

[TeamAudra]

Yep. I’m calling it right now. If Biden gets replaced as the ‘24 nominee, which seems incredibly likely, it will be this guy. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate him. 
 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by TeamAudra

[TeamAudra]

46 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

Yep. I’m calling it right now. If Biden gets replaced as the ‘24 nominee, which seems incredibly likely, it will be this guy. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate him. 
 

 

Also…

 

I’m old enough to remember when Trump repeatedly praised Newsom’s pandemic response in 2020. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by TeamAudra

[RTV]

5 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

Yep. I’m calling it right now. If Biden gets replaced as the ‘24 nominee, which seems incredibly likely, it will be this guy. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate him. 
 

 

There's a lot to argue about in Newsom's post, but I agree with you.

 

Newsom won the 2018 California gubernatorial race against Republican challenger John Cox with 62% of the vote—the highest share ever for a Democratic candidate—and is expected to win a second four-year term in November. He also managed to easily survive the recall vote last September by about the same percentage and has plenty of cash on hand for campaigning. Newsom and DeSantis are already sparring, too. So it does look like Newsom is aiming to become his party's presidential candidate in 2024, despite denying the aspiration now.

https://www.politico.com/california/story/2022/01/21/what-2022-election-california-republicans-grim-on-beating-newsom-1405828

[TeamAudra]

1 hour ago, RTV said:

There's a lot to argue about in Newsom's post, but I agree with you.

 

Newsom won the 2018 California gubernatorial race against Republican challenger John Cox with 62% of the vote—the highest share ever for a Democratic candidate—and is expected to win a second four-year term in November. He also managed to easily survive the recall vote last September by about the same percentage and has plenty of cash on hand for campaigning. Newsom and DeSantis are already sparring, too. So it does look like Newsom is aiming to become his party's presidential candidate in 2024, despite denying the aspiration now.

https://www.politico.com/california/story/2022/01/21/what-2022-election-california-republicans-grim-on-beating-newsom-1405828

I’m actually surprised his name doesn’t come up more often. His state is a trainwreck, but he does seem to have proven electoral appeal. It’s a little scary, honestly. Of the names that frequently get brought up (mayor Pete, etc) who’s gonna beat him?

Edited June 17, 2022 by TeamAudra

[RTV]

21 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

I’m actually surprised his name doesn’t come up more often. His state is a trainwreck, but he does seem to have proven electoral appeal. It’s a little scary, honestly. Of the names that frequently get brought up (mayor Pete, etc) who’s gonna beat him?

Yes, it is.

 

If Gov. Newsom is up against Gov. DeSantis in 2024, it might be a tight race. The recall effort probably hurt Newsom somewhat, but DeSantis faced a similar threat. A petition calling for his recall over handling of the pandemic and unemployment garnered thousands of signatures despite Florida's recall law not pertaining to elected state officials.

 

Newsom was mayor of San Francisco from 2004 to 2011 (winning re-election with 72% of the vote) and lieutenant governor from 2011 to 2019. DeSantis was a member of the House of Representatives from 2013-2018. Both became governors in January 2019.

 

The men played baseball during college. Newsom graduated from Santa Clara University in 1989 with a BS in political science. DeSantis graduated from Yale University in 2001 with a BA magna cum laude, taught history for a year, and then graduated from Harvard Law School in 2005 with a JD cum laude. He also completed Naval Justice School in 2005. While DeSantis has military service, Newsom has business experience.

 

Newsom married Kimberly Guilfoyle in 2001. Following a sexual affair with Ruby Rippey-Tourk in mid-2005, the couple's divorce was finalized on 02/28/06. The Chronicle reported on 02/05/07 that Mayor Newsom was seeking treatment for alcohol abuse. He married Jennifer Siebel in 2008. They are parents of two daughters and two sons. DeSantis married Casey Black in 2010. They are parents of two daughters and a son. Newsom and DeSantis are Catholics. Newsom is 54 and DeSantis is 43.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Newsom-seeks-treatment-for-alcohol-abuse-2619195.php

[TeamAudra]

1 hour ago, RTV said:

Yes, it is.

 

If Gov. Newsom is up against Gov. DeSantis in 2024, it might be a tight race. The recall effort probably hurt Newsom somewhat, but DeSantis faced a similar threat. A petition calling for his recall over handling of the pandemic and unemployment garnered thousands of signatures despite Florida's recall law not pertaining to elected state officials.

 

Newsom was mayor of San Francisco from 2004 to 2011 (winning re-election with 72% of the vote) and lieutenant governor from 2011 to 2019. DeSantis was a member of the House of Representatives from 2013-2018. Both became governors in January 2019.

 

The men played baseball during college. Newsom graduated from Santa Clara University in 1989 with a BS in political science. DeSantis graduated from Yale University in 2001 with a BA magna cum laude, taught history for a year, and then graduated from Harvard Law School in 2005 with a JD cum laude. He also completed Naval Justice School in 2005. While DeSantis has military service, Newsom has business experience.

 

Newsom married Kimberly Guilfoyle in 2001. Following a sexual affair with Ruby Rippey-Tourk in mid-2005, the couple's divorce was finalized on 02/28/06. The Chronicle reported on 02/05/07 that Mayor Newsom was seeking treatment for alcohol abuse. He married Jennifer Siebel in 2008. They are parents of two daughters and two sons. DeSantis married Casey Black in 2010. They are parents of two daughters and a son. Newsom and DeSantis are Catholics. Newsom is 54 and DeSantis is 43.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Newsom-seeks-treatment-for-alcohol-abuse-2619195.php

DeSantis clearly has the better track record, by far, but there are a lot of low info voters out there. 
 

A lot of people seem to be assuming Biden will be the opponent. I find that to be very unlikely. The knives from his own party are already coming out. 

[Gmm99]

About Newsom: 

 

Should he choose to actually run, I do believe that he has the best chance to win the primary and the general election for the Democrats should he choose to run for President in 2024. He does seem to have the most "electoral appeal" out of the potential candidates in the Democratic column. We shall see. The party is pushing back against Biden for their atrocious (though that is putting it nicely at this point) first two years of controlling all three branches of the U.S. government. Biden did apparently declare (but again, looking at Wikipedia) ...though we will see how long this will last. I doubt they will want to chance 2024 with Biden as the nominee. 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Gmm99

[Gmm99]

• Some other poll updates:
  • Texas race for governor tightens up, new Quinnipiac poll shows (msn.com)

[RTV]

28 minutes ago, Gmm99 said:

• Some other poll updates:
  • Texas race for governor tightens up, new Quinnipiac poll shows (msn.com)

Yes, I was surprised when I saw that poll on Wednesday and posted it. The Uvalde tragedy apparently hurt Gov. Abbott, but the site below still shows him winning.

https://www.racetothewh.com/governor/texas

 

[RTV]

The same site projects DeSantis winning re-election in Florida.

https://www.racetothewh.com/flgov22

 

[RTV]

Russell Brand makes a lot of good points in this clip.

[TeamAudra]

I’m not sure about the Biden part, though. He might be a walking vegetable by then. 
 

 

[RTV]

We need a reaction that means yes, this, that's right, etc.

 

I first liked TeamAudra's above post because I agree with it. Biden has had noticeable mental and physical decline, and his condition is likely to continue worsening. I wonder if Biden will be able to run again even if he wants to try and his party agrees.

 

Then it occurred to me that the reaction could be misinterpreted as me liking the possibility of Biden declining. So I removed it.

 

Relatives of mine have suffered with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. It's absolutely heartbreaking to witness a loved one regress over a period of years, and dealing with everything is terribly difficult on the rest of the family. Thankfully the changes in the brain don't seem to cause pain, but you lose the person long before death. I wouldn't wish those debilitating diseases or dementia on anyone.

Edited June 18, 2022 by RTV

[TeamAudra]

47 minutes ago, RTV said:

We need a reaction that means yes, this, that's right, etc.

 

I first liked TeamAudra's above post because I agree with it. Biden has had noticeable mental and physical decline, and his condition is likely to continue worsening. I wonder if Biden will be able to run again even if he wants to try and his party agrees.

 

Then it occurred to me that the reaction could be misinterpreted as me liking the possibility of Biden declining. So I removed it.

 

Relatives of mine have suffered with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. It's absolutely heartbreaking to witness a loved one regress over a period of years, and dealing with everything is terribly difficult on the rest of the family. Thankfully the changes in the brain don't seem to cause pain, but you lose the person long before death. I wouldn't wish those debilitating diseases or dementia on anyone.

I don’t wish it on anyone either, but it’s something that definitely needs to be a consideration, when we’re talking about “the leader of the free world,” and the prospect of running him out there for another campaign. His wife should step in and say enough is enough. 

[RTV]

8 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

I don’t wish it on anyone either, but it’s something that definitely needs to be a consideration, when we’re talking about “the leader of the free world,” and the prospect of running him out there for another campaign. His wife should step in and say enough is enough. 

True. Before he ran for the first term would've been even better. Biden will be 80 on November 20. Although the presidency is stressful at any age, having a president in his 80s is worrisome—especially considering the vice president's performance thus far. Biden already loses his train of thought, has difficulty speaking coherent sentences, and becomes irritated easily. While you still feel empathy and deference toward elderly leaders like him, you have to be realistic about their capabilities. A president who is unable to take care of countless responsibilities and make tough decisions on his own is dangerous.

[TeamAudra]

 

 

It’s hilarious, but they can keep their gas card. I do not need a handout from the Government. Maybe focus more on that chip shortage, and less on trying to buy votes with these gimmicks that don’t actually solve problems. 

 

 

 

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[TeamAudra]

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by TeamAudra

[TeamAudra]

What is Roger up to here?  

 

[RTV]

7 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

 

 

 

Ouch. He reportedly wasn't injured by the fall.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-falls-off-bike-delaware-ride-first-lady

 

"Bicycling less than 10 mph" is one of the aerobic activities suggested for individuals with Alzheimer's.

https://www.brightfocus.org/alzheimers/article/best-exercise-people-alzheimers-disease

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by RTV

[RTV]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/15/politics/trump-desantis-2024-fundraising-candidacy/index.html

[RTV]

Newsom's contribution data is from the 2022 cycle, but the DeSantis data is from 2018. Their bios appear to be mostly current, except the third child of DeSantis hasn't been added. The votes and speeches tabs have some 2022 entries. The site should provide more information closer to November.

 

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/70386/gavin-newsom

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/137630/ron-desantis

[TeamAudra]

27 minutes ago, RTV said:

Newsom's contribution data is from the 2022 cycle, but the DeSantis data is from 2018. Their bios appear to be mostly current, except the third child of DeSantis hasn't been added. The votes and speeches tabs have some 2022 entries. The site should provide more information closer to November.

 

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/70386/gavin-newsom

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/137630/ron-desantis

This article is mostly about DeSantis’ baseball career (Little League World Series, Yale captain) but it also addresses the political ambitions he had from a very young age. Everything he’s done his entire life seems to be preparation for being POTUS. He basically has the perfect resume for a candidate for office. This is why I have zero doubt he’s going to run, whether it’s in ‘24 or ‘28. 
 

“……I always knew he was going into politics,’’ said Brady Williams, who is now the Rays Triple-A manager in Durham and was then one of DeSantis’ closest friends. “His goal was to be the president of the United States. Was that far-fetched? A lot of things we talked about that summer were far-fetched. And a lot of them happened….”

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/03/10/the-ron-desantis-double-play-a-star-ballplayer-and-a-future-politician/

Edited June 19, 2022 by TeamAudra

[RTV]

4 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

This article is mostly about DeSantis’ baseball career (Little League World Series, Yale captain) but it also addresses the political ambitions he had from a very young age. Everything he’s done his entire life seems to be preparation for being POTUS. He basically has the perfect resume for a candidate for office. This is why I have zero doubt he’s going to run, whether it’s in ‘24 or ‘28. 
 

“……I always knew he was going into politics,’’ said Brady Williams, who is now the Rays Triple-A manager in Durham and was then one of DeSantis’ closest friends. “His goal was to be the president of the United States. Was that far-fetched? A lot of things we talked about that summer were far-fetched. And a lot of them happened….”

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/03/10/the-ron-desantis-double-play-a-star-ballplayer-and-a-future-politician/

I agree about his resume. DeSantis is a more electable candidate than Trump was. Unlike Newsom, I haven't seen any blemishes that would hurt DeSantis. If/when he runs, I think TPTB (Democrats, liberals, progressives, socialists, big corporations, etc.) will be worried about him winning and working hard to prevent that from happening.