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1 minute ago, Misirlou said:

Alright, hear me out, if the comeback is real, I don't think Blake's will be Carson.

 

Yes, he is Minivan material, and yes, he could win the show if he just keeps doing what he did in his blind and battle (sing and play guitar, staying away from the fiddle). 

 

But Blake rarely pulls that move he did in KOs. He clearly wanted to move Carson forward, but since he apparently didnt deliver, he had no choice but to cut him off. When a contestant shows Blake that they are not really ready for the lives, he usually lets them go and it stays that way.

 

Watch this age like milk lol.

I completely agree. I think Blake is FAR more likely to bring back Hailey given she delivered during all three performances.

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Just now, Anybody354 said:

I completely agree. I think Blake is FAR more likely to bring back Hailey given she delivered during all three performances.

Of course, this assumes that there are comebacks and they are chosen by coaches.

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7 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

Alright, hear me out, if the comeback is real, I don't think Blake's will be Carson.

 

Yes, he is Minivan material, and yes, he could win the show if he just keeps doing what he did in his blind and battle (sing and play guitar, staying away from the fiddle). 

 

But Blake rarely pulls that move he did in KOs. He clearly wanted to move Carson forward, but since he apparently didnt deliver, he had no choice but to cut him off. When a contestant shows Blake that they are not really ready for the lives, he usually lets them go and it stays that way.

 

Watch this age like milk lol.

I actually see Blake picking Hailey as the comeback, but here is the thing: 

 

Why Ariana asked her fans to download the app?? If the coaches are the ones picking the "comeback artist", i don't see why she would do that. 

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And for the record, I like Carson, I think he's incredibly talented, but it would be unfair if he came back after losing his KO, because he's 100% getting PV if he does. Anyone else that comes back from TB is not gonna change the dynamics of a Wendy/Peedy PV scenario.

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Just now, Gustavo527 said:

I actually see Hailey G. as the comeback, but here si the thing: 

 

Why Ariana asked her fans to download the app?? If the coaches are the ones picking the "comeback artist", i don't see why she would do that. 


I’m wondering if they did a comeback, the audience would vote between one contestant from each of the four coaches, kind of like the 4 way Knockout

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I’m wondering if they did a comeback, the audience would vote between one contestant from each of the four coaches, kind of like the 4 way Knockout

Yeah, i was thinking that, but we have to take in account something: 

 

Jonathan would be considered for Team John or for Team Blake? 

 

Manny would be considered for Team Blake or for Team Ariana? 

 

 

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All Ariana had to do is send one tweet to make IDF freak out. 

 

But truth be told, there's not even enough Minivan material this season to be a threat if they came back, apart from the guy who shares our host's name.

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Maybe something similar to TV UK's Lifeline vote during Season 8 and 9 (save one contestant from the eliminated acts based on the public's vote. The act who was saved would be revelead at the beginning of the lives)

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9 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

And for the record, I like Carson, I think he's incredibly talented, but it would be unfair if he came back after losing his KO, because he's 100% getting PV if he does. Anyone else that comes back from TB is not gonna change the dynamics.


I’m not so sure.

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1 minute ago, Daillon said:


I’m not so sure.

If he underperforms, then yeah, he won't. But if he pretty much does what he did in his battle and blind (which Minivan is loving) then he very well could.

 

Still, like I said, if we do have a CC, I don't think it will be him for the reasons I stated.

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8 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

If he underperforms, then yeah, he won't. But if he pretty much does what he did in his battle and blind (which Minivan is loving) then he very well could.


I mean, if he is on pitch he has it in the bag. But I have a feeling he won’t be very good live.

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23 minutes ago, pauwis said:

Maybe something similar to TV UK's Lifeline vote during Season 8 and 9 (save one contestant from the eliminated acts based on the public's vote. The act who was saved would be revelead at the beginning of the lives)

I like this one more, and it actually makes sense.

 

EDIT: You forgot to mention something, the eligible contestants are only the ones eliminated in the KO's, NOT in the battles, which honestly seems a lot more fair 

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3 hours ago, jus.willy said:


we don’t know if they got a standing O because they didn’t show the coaches at the end of the perfomance… or maybe they didn’t show them because it wasn’t a standing o fr? Idk

I remember John being shown as the only coach that stood up for Corey's knockout last season but in the lives promo, another angle showed that he got a standing O from everyone except Blake so that's definitely a possibility 

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1 hour ago, Misirlou said:

And for the record, I like Carson, I think he's incredibly talented, but it would be unfair if he came back after losing his KO, because he's 100% getting PV if he does. Anyone else that comes back from TB is not gonna change the dynamics of a Wendy/Peedy PV scenario.

Why is it unfair? 

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5 minutes ago, Bk1234 said:

Why is it unfair? 

Because he lost his KO, so for him to come back and have a higher chance to advance than several people that actually won theirs its unfair. At least I see it that way.

 

It would apply for everyone else that has been eliminated, honestly, even the ones that don't have the voting potential that Carson has. This has nothing to do with him, its the whole coach comeback situation, which I, for instance, am not really a fan of. 

 

If TPTB wanted to give more people second chances, they could have easily implemented a save in the KOs.

 

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3 minutes ago, Bk1234 said:

Why is it unfair? 

It's unfair because contestants get eliminated for a reason. Whatever it may be, at the end of the day this is a competition and only one can win. If a previously eliminated contestant comes back and advances further than others who actually earned their spot in the live shows, it completely disregards their legitimate effort to go as far in the competition as they can. Whether a comeback contestant was simply outperformed, just had a bad day, or anything in between, it doesn't matter. They were eliminated, and that should be that.

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For instance, if KJ and Wyatt, other two favorites of mine that got cut early, would come back in the twist for the lives, and made it further than others that got there via winning their rounds or a steal, not gonna lie, I would like to see them on stage more, but I 'd still consider it to be unfair, since they were previously eliminated. It wrecks the whole point of the competition.

 

The Four applied that method, and frankly, it was pretty lame. The whole arc of the 2nd half of the second season was to make James win after he came back from elimination.

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1 hour ago, Misirlou said:

Alright, hear me out, if the comeback is real, I don't think Blake's will be Carson.

 

Yes, he is Minivan material, and yes, he could win the show if he just keeps doing what he did in his blind and battle (sing and play guitar, staying away from the fiddle). 

 

But Blake rarely pulls that move he did in KOs. He clearly wanted to move Carson forward, but since he apparently didnt deliver, he had no choice but to cut him off. When a contestant shows Blake that they are not really ready for the lives, he usually lets them go and it stays that way.

 

Watch this age like milk lol.


He did eliminate Holly Henry against Nic Hawk of all people, so that makes sense. And he’s offered criticism to many contestants in Knockouts that did not live up to their Blinds. For example, he states that he would have picked Darious over Mike. I think that was the Knockout where he mentioned making decisions based off what happened that moment.

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As interesting as I think Coach Comebacks would be, I agree with @Misirlou and @MatthewPalermo that they’re inherently unfair - there can only be one winning act at the end of the day, and taking someone who lost their battle and putting them up against people who won both their battle and KOs makes the work of the latter seem less legitimate, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the comeback artists’ eliminations.

 

In any case, I don’t see them happening this season, but if they did I just hope TPTB make a new rule that it can only be KO eliminations or something like that to try and make it less unfair, then split the playoffs over two nights so they’re not going to have 24 performances in one night 🥴

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5 minutes ago, VintageVoice said:

then split the playoffs over two nights so they’re not going to have 24 performances in one night

The Playoffs dates are confirmed and the tickets are up for sale, so this is 100% not happening 

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42 minutes ago, MatthewPalermo said:

It's unfair because contestants get eliminated for a reason. Whatever it may be, at the end of the day this is a competition and only one can win. If a previously eliminated contestant comes back and advances further than others who actually earned their spot in the live shows, it completely disregards their legitimate effort to go as far in the competition as they can. Whether a comeback contestant was simply outperformed, just had a bad day, or anything in between, it doesn't matter. They were eliminated, and that should be that.


By that line of thought, it’s “unfair” for a stolen contestant to go farther than any contestant that won the same round and the show should go back to S1/2 rules with no steals, no saves.

 

It only feels unfair since it’s a new rule. If they had used consistent comeback every season, no one would blink an eye.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ammonium said:

So basically if Carson comes back it's unfair. Anyone else comes back it's unfair but not that much.

For me, it applies to anyone that has been eliminated, not just Carson. He's a pre-season favorite of mine actually, and the same thing goes for KJ, Wyatt , Samara and other people that I like that were cut before lives.

 

Of course that might not be the case for IDF as a whole, since he's indeed not particularly liked here.

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