Why female country singers are not as popular as male country singers?

[ptebwwong]

1 hour ago, TeamAudra said:

Yeah, but why is that? Could it have something to do with marketing of male country artists? Radio? It can’t be “just because.” I honestly don’t know the answer either, but it wasn’t that long ago that we didn’t have this gender disparity. Remember Shania, Dixie Chicks, Taylor, Faith, etc. WTF happened?

I think some of it has to do with the type of country fans like. Like bro-country? Of course, you would like male artists. The new "boyfriend country." Same thing. Neo-traditional country. Probably prefer males. A big problem is a lot of the big sub-genres in country right now are male dominated. Also, I get the feeling country fans are less open to different music than before.

 

I don't think it's just radio that gets fans to stan them. In general, for country artists the one's that have stans seem to have a significant female fanbase & many times also significant others/wives that they lovingly sing about & feature in music videos. Luke Bryan, Blake, Kane Brown, Thomas Rhett, etc. all do this. It's basically fans falling for the artist & their lives.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by ptebwwong

[TeamAudra]

14 minutes ago, ptebwwong said:

I think some of it has to do with the type of country fans like. Like bro-country? Of course, you would like male artists. The new "boyfriend country." Same thing. Neo-traditional country. Probably prefer males. A big problem is a lot of the big sub-genres in country right now are male dominated. Also, I get the feeling country fans are less open to different music than before.

 

I don't think it's just radio that gets fans to stan them. In general, for country artists the one's that have stans seem to have a significant female fanbase & many times also significant others/wives that they lovingly sing about & feature in music videos. Luke Bryan, Blake, Kane Brown, Thomas Rhett, etc. all do this. It's basically fans falling for the artist & their lives.

 

 

The songs all sound the same. Hopefully, they’ll tire of it eventually. Anyway, when a male breaks through with a #1, they’re often guaranteed several more, regardless of how mediocre the songs are. Females who get a #1 need to follow it up with another home run, or radio (and perhaps their label) will drop them. That’s what happened to Maddie & Tae for the last several years until they finally topped the charts with DFABH a few weeks ago. It’s not that their previous songs weren’t good enough, relative to what their male counterparts were releasing. For whatever reason, they were on a short leash with radio, and obviously BMLG. It’s considerably more difficult for females to build momentum, and generate larger streaming audiences. Lack of radio support is at least partially responsible for that. 

Edited September 18, 2020 by TeamAudra

[+Spurrious]

I've read all this ....but here is a fact that flys in the face the radio apologists ....when fans actually vote the women are prominent, if not dominate.... this kinda screams it's the gatekeepers that are keeping women down.  CMT is the well known only fan voted country music awards so let's have a look.  Woops.  

 

#IntuitionalizedHate

 

 

 

Year	Video of the Year	Male Video of the Year	Female Video of the Year	USA Weekend Breakthrough Video of The Year
2002	Kenny Chesney – "Young"	Kenny Chesney – "Young"	Martina McBride – "Blessed"	Chris Cagle – "I Breathe In, I Breathe Out"
2003	Toby Keith – "Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue (The Angry American)"	Toby Keith – "Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue (The Angry American)"	Martina McBride – "Concrete Angel"	Joe Nichols – "Brokenheartsville"
2004	Toby Keith – "American Soldier"	Kenny Chesney – "There Goes My Life"	Shania Twain – "Forever and for Always"	Dierks Bentley – "What Was I Thinkin'"
2005	Keith Urban – "Days Go By"	Kenny Chesney – "I Go Back"	Gretchen Wilson – "When I Think About Cheatin'"	Gretchen Wilson – "Redneck Woman"
2006	Keith Urban – "Better Life"	Kenny Chesney – "Who You'd Be Today"	Carrie Underwood – "Jesus, Take the Wheel"	Carrie Underwood – "Jesus, Take The Wheel"
2007	Carrie Underwood – "Before He Cheats"	Kenny Chesney – "You Save Me"	Carrie Underwood – "Before He Cheats"	Taylor Swift – "Tim McGraw"
2008	Taylor Swift – "Our Song"	Trace Adkins – "I Got My Game On"	Taylor Swift – "Our Song"	Kellie Pickler – "I Wonder"
2009	Taylor Swift – "Love Story"	Brad Paisley – "Waitin' on a Woman"	Taylor Swift – "Love Story"	Zac Brown Band – "Chicken Fried"
2010	Carrie Underwood – "Cowboy Casanova"	Keith Urban – "'Til Summer Comes Around"	Miranda Lambert – "White Liar"	Luke Bryan – "Do I"
2011	Taylor Swift – "Mine"	Blake Shelton – "Who Are You When I'm Not Looking"	Miranda Lambert – "The House That Built Me"	The Band Perry – "If I Die Young"
2012	Carrie Underwood – "Good Girl"	Luke Bryan – "I Don't Want This Night to End"	Miranda Lambert – "Over You"	Scotty McCreery – "The Trouble With Girls"
2013	Carrie Underwood – "Blown Away"	Blake Shelton – "Sure Be Cool If You Did"	Miranda Lambert – "Mama's Broken Heart"	Florida Georgia Line – "Cruise"
2014	Carrie Underwood – "See You Again"	Blake Shelton – "Doin' What She Likes"	Miranda Lambert – "Automatic"	Cassadee Pope – "Wasting All These Tears"
2015	Carrie Underwood – "Something in the Water"	Luke Bryan – "Play It Again"	Carrie Underwood – "Something in the Water"	Sam Hunt – "Leave the Night On"
2016	Tim McGraw – "Humble and Kind"	Thomas Rhett – "Die a Happy Man"	Carrie Underwood – "Smoke Break"	Chris Stapleton – "Fire Away"
2017	Keith Urban – "Blue Ain't Your Color"	Keith Urban – "Blue Ain't Your Color"	Carrie Underwood – "Church Bells"	Lauren Alaina – "Road Less Traveled"
2018	Blake Shelton - "I'll Name the Dogs"	Blake Shelton - "I'll Name the Dogs"	Carrie Underwood - “The Champion" (featuring Ludacris)	Carly Pearce - "Every Little Thing"
2019	Carrie Underwood - "Cry Pretty"	Kane Brown - "Lose It"	Carrie Underwood - “Love Wins"	Ashley McBryde – “Girl Goin’ Nowhere" (At Marathon Music Works)

[ptebwwong]

Here's another problem with country radio: They rely heavily on callouts (listener feedback). Positive callouts usually means radio will play it. The problem is the listeners polled still generally like males. The current callouts show only 1 female solo song getting positive callouts. There's 1 song with a feature by a woman. All the rest are men receiving positive callouts. The type of audience (young, old, men, women listeners) don't matter. They're usually still giving male artists good consistent callouts compared to female singles. This has been normal for years. The Top 10 positive callouts are usually from male artists. Generally, the female country artists who receive consistent positive callouts for their singles are Maren, Carrie, Kelsea, & Carly Pearce. Those 4 female artists are also the female artists with the most consistent radio success (Top 20 or higher hits). I doubt it's a coincidence. For the past several years, according to yearly industry polls by Mediabase, the #1 factor in determining a radio hit is callouts.

 

I don't like callouts, but radio seems to love using the data. Unfortunately, it seems like for a female artist to have a radio hit positive callouts will need to happen. For example, Maddie & Tae's recent #1 hit had great callouts. That hasn't been the case with their past singles.

Edited September 19, 2020 by ptebwwong

[+Spurrious]

Just for a point of clarity "call outs" are not in anyway to be considered random polls.  It's "Stan" data from those actively seeking to share their opinion.  It would be like if only IDF Snowflake Stans voted on Voice contestants.  Call outs fail as a data source.

 

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Earlier I mentioned how radio actively seeks to limit the audience that hears females by playing them overnight when few are listening.   Here is the data from the current radio top 50.  I did remove most songs that have been dropping a lot of spins this week.

 

I added the far right column which is the total audience (Aud) divided by this weeks spins (TW).    This yields the listeners per spin which is typically known as  impressions per spin.  Note that songs generally gain impressions per spin as they move up the chart because they get more favorable time slots.

 

The green highlight is a song with a male and female.  These don't usually suffer or not so much.  A little tostosterone is all it takes!

 

The yellow highlight is female solo or group artists.  With very few exceptions the females get significantly less impressions per spin (even Taylor's song is not immune) when compared to other closely ranked songs by males.  That's nothing short of willful suppression aka institutionalized misogamy.  Feel free to add this as another reason to hate country radio.    

 

 

 

TW	Artist	Title	TW	Move	Aud	Imp/Spin
1	LUKE COMBS	Lovin' On You	8755	400	53.51	6111.94
2	LEE BRICE	One Of Them Girls	8234	865	50.645	6150.72
3	KANE BROWN	Cool Again	7599	534	44.439	5848.01
4	JASON ALDEAN	Got What I Got	7190	671	41.806	5814.46
5	JAMESON RODGERS	Some Girls	6174	490	35.241	5707.97
6	TIM MCGRAW	I Called Mama	5887	400	34.839	5917.95
7	MATT STELL	Everywhere But On	5304	730	30.376	5727.00
8	CHASE RICE	Lonely If You Are	4858	583	27.426	5645.53
9	BLAKE SHELTON	Happy Anywhere f/Gwen Stefani	4813	557	27.159	5642.84
10	HARDY	One Beer f/L. Alaina/D. Dawson	4752	386	26.5	5576.60
11	RUSSELL DICKERSON	Love You Like I Used To	4468	731	27.39	6130.26
12	MORGAN WALLEN	More Than My Hometown	4412	906	26.295	5959.88
13	PARKER MCCOLLUM	Pretty Heart	4359	459	23.578	5409.04
14	JON PARDI	Ain't Always The Cowboy	4046	410	22.086	5458.72
15	CHRIS LANE	Big, Big Plans	3570	453	18.683	5233.33
16	DAN + SHAY	I Should Probably Go To Bed	3442	344	18.236	5298.08
17	KENNY CHESNEY	Happy Does	3242	315	18.52	5712.52
18	KIP MOORE	She's Mine	3287	99	17.781	5409.49
20	LADY A	Champagne Night	2957	354	14.979	5065.61
22	DUSTIN LYNCH	Momma's House	2242	286	11.248	5016.95
24	ERIC CHURCH	Stick That In Your Country...	2196	213	9.156	4169.40
25	RASCAL FLATTS	How They Remember You	1962	362	9.847	5018.86
26	NIKO MOON	Good Time	1969	266	8.79	4464.20
27	CHRIS STAPLETON	Starting Over	2012	411	11.572	5751.49
28	DARIUS RUCKER	Beers And Sunshine	1983	310	9.466	4773.58
29	KELSEA BALLERINI	Hole In The Bottle	1911	362	7.775	4068.55
30	LAUREN ALAINA	Getting Good	1635	-96	5.168	3160.86
31	TENILLE ARTS	Somebody Like That	1473	-24	5.646	3832.99
33	BROTHERS OSBORNE	All Night	1415	174	5.957	4209.89
34	DYLAN SCOTT	Nobody	1437	104	5.819	4049.41
35	JORDAN DAVIS	Almost Maybes	1430	204	6.066	4241.96
36	TAYLOR SWIFT	betty	1154	132	4.534	3928.94
37	BRETT ELDREDGE	Gabrielle	1127	64	5.033	4465.84
38	MORGAN WALLEN	7 Summers	1054	197	6.191	5873.81
39	MAREN MORRIS	To Hell & Back	1091	133	3.572	3274.06
42	GABBY BARRETT	The Good Ones	1003	46	3.534	3523.43
43	PARMALEE	Just The Way f/Blanco Brown	1037	87	3.299	3181.29
44	BRETT YOUNG	Lady	897	39	5.693	6346.71
45	RUNAWAY JUNE	We Were Rich	932	94	2.76	2961.37
46	BON JOVI, JENNIFER NETTLES	Do What You Can	949	949	4.819	5077.98
47	FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE	Long Live	702	-698	3.476	4951.57
48	BRANTLEY GILBERT	Hard Days	836	22	2.817	3369.62
49	JIMMIE ALLEN & NOAH CYRUS	This Is Us	815	-15	1.961	2406.13
50	LITTLE BIG TOWN	Wine, Beer, Whiskey	747	134	2.209	2957.16

 

[+Spurrious]

This is the above chart sorted by impressions per spin.

 

TW	Artist	Title	TW	Move	Aud	Imp/Spin
44	BRETT YOUNG	Lady	897	39	5.693	6346.71
2	LEE BRICE	One Of Them Girls	8234	865	50.645	6150.72
11	RUSSELL DICKERSON	Love You Like I Used To	4468	731	27.39	6130.26
1	LUKE COMBS	Lovin' On You	8755	400	53.51	6111.94
12	MORGAN WALLEN	More Than My Hometown	4412	906	26.295	5959.88
6	TIM MCGRAW	I Called Mama	5887	400	34.839	5917.95
38	MORGAN WALLEN	7 Summers	1054	197	6.191	5873.81
3	KANE BROWN	Cool Again	7599	534	44.439	5848.01
4	JASON ALDEAN	Got What I Got	7190	671	41.806	5814.46
27	CHRIS STAPLETON	Starting Over	2012	411	11.572	5751.49
7	MATT STELL	Everywhere But On	5304	730	30.376	5727.00
17	KENNY CHESNEY	Happy Does	3242	315	18.52	5712.52
5	JAMESON RODGERS	Some Girls	6174	490	35.241	5707.97
8	CHASE RICE	Lonely If You Are	4858	583	27.426	5645.53
9	BLAKE SHELTON	Happy Anywhere f/Gwen Stefani	4813	557	27.159	5642.84
10	HARDY	One Beer f/L. Alaina/D. Dawson	4752	386	26.5	5576.60
14	JON PARDI	Ain't Always The Cowboy	4046	410	22.086	5458.72
18	KIP MOORE	She's Mine	3287	99	17.781	5409.49
13	PARKER MCCOLLUM	Pretty Heart	4359	459	23.578	5409.04
16	DAN + SHAY	I Should Probably Go To Bed	3442	344	18.236	5298.08
15	CHRIS LANE	Big, Big Plans	3570	453	18.683	5233.33
46	BON JOVI, JENNIFER NETTLES	Do What You Can	949	949	4.819	5077.98
20	LADY A	Champagne Night	2957	354	14.979	5065.61
25	RASCAL FLATTS	How They Remember You	1962	362	9.847	5018.86
22	DUSTIN LYNCH	Momma's House	2242	286	11.248	5016.95
47	FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE	Long Live	702	-698	3.476	4951.57
28	DARIUS RUCKER	Beers And Sunshine	1983	310	9.466	4773.58
37	BRETT ELDREDGE	Gabrielle	1127	64	5.033	4465.84
26	NIKO MOON	Good Time	1969	266	8.79	4464.20
35	JORDAN DAVIS	Almost Maybes	1430	204	6.066	4241.96
33	BROTHERS OSBORNE	All Night	1415	174	5.957	4209.89
24	ERIC CHURCH	Stick That In Your Country...	2196	213	9.156	4169.40
29	KELSEA BALLERINI	Hole In The Bottle	1911	362	7.775	4068.55
34	DYLAN SCOTT	Nobody	1437	104	5.819	4049.41
36	TAYLOR SWIFT	betty	1154	132	4.534	3928.94
31	TENILLE ARTS	Somebody Like That	1473	-24	5.646	3832.99
42	GABBY BARRETT	The Good Ones	1003	46	3.534	3523.43
48	BRANTLEY GILBERT	Hard Days	836	22	2.817	3369.62
39	MAREN MORRIS	To Hell & Back	1091	133	3.572	3274.06
43	PARMALEE	Just The Way f/Blanco Brown	1037	87	3.299	3181.29
30	LAUREN ALAINA	Getting Good	1635	-96	5.168	3160.86
45	RUNAWAY JUNE	We Were Rich	932	94	2.76	2961.37
50	LITTLE BIG TOWN	Wine, Beer, Whiskey	747	134	2.209	2957.16
49	JIMMIE ALLEN & NOAH CYRUS	This Is Us	815	-15	1.961	2406.13

 

[TeamAudra]

Since I mostly stopped paying attention a long time ago, I didn’t realize how long it took for “Die From a Broken Heart” to get to #1. It was released to the public in 2018, and sent to radio in May, 2019! It took about 15 months to climb the charts. It was certified Gold in February, and Platinum in July. So, even when females hit #1, which is seldom, they have to jump through a lot of hoops and wait for a long time. I’ve seen other female songs take a long time to peak, but never 15 months. Holy sh*t. 
 

https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/maddie-tae-earn-first-woman-led-true-country-1-in-8-years/

 

Here’s an article from Trigger back in February, talking about how it went Gold despite radio. Apparently, it stalled out several times, just outside the top 40. 
 

https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/maddie-taes-die-from-a-broken-heart-goes-gold-despite-radio/

 

Sorry, but I’m not buying the “call out” argument. It was stated that this song got great results in the stan polls, yet this is what M&T had to endure. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by TeamAudra

[+Spurrious]

2 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

Since I mostly stopped paying attention a long time ago, I didn’t realize how long it took for “Die From a Broken Heart” to get to #1. It was released to the public in 2018, and sent to radio in May, 2019! It took about 15 months to climb the charts. It was certified Gold in February, and Platinum in July. So, even when females hit #1, which is seldom, they have to jump through a lot of hoops and wait for a long time. I’ve seen other female songs take a long time to peak, but never 15 months. Holy sh*t. 
 

https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/maddie-tae-earn-first-woman-led-true-country-1-in-8-years/

 

Here’s an article from Trigger back in February, talking about how it went Gold despite radio. Apparently, it stalled out several times, just outside the top 40. 
 

https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/maddie-taes-die-from-a-broken-heart-goes-gold-despite-radio/

 

Sorry, but I’m not buying the “call out” argument. It was stated that this song got great results in the stan polls, yet this is what M&T had to endure. 

 

You shouldn't be sorry.  It's bad data used as an excuse by country radio to cover up their intentional evil deeds. 

 

I gave up on country radio long ago as well but, I try not to miss an opportunity to shine some light in those dark corners where the cockroaches live. 

[B-B]

Not trying to defend country radio, but call-outs are used on every genre

[TeamAudra]

13 minutes ago, Spurrious said:

 

You shouldn't be sorry.  It's bad data used as an excuse by country radio to cover up their intentional evil deeds. 

 

I gave up on country radio long ago as well but, I try not to miss an opportunity to shine some light in those dark corners where the cockroaches live. 

Yeah, actually I’m not sorry. One more thing on M&T. There are more #1s on that album. I have no idea which song they will send to radio next, but it will be interesting to see how they’re treated. The next one better not take 15 months. 

[+Spurrious]

1 hour ago, B-B said:

Not trying to defend country radio, but call-outs are used on every genre

I understand but...you couldn't defend them if you tried....not that you are trying. 

 

The current country callouts shows Ashley McBride at #4 .  Country radio killed it as soon as it hit the top 10 two weeks ago....it's down to #23 and heading to recurrent.

 

A week before that Gabby Barnett's "I Hope" was #1 on the country callouts with a 101 score and they also killed it when it hit top 10.  That just how they roll.   Contrast and compare that to the Pop charts.  Gabby's song is #12 on the Top 40 (pop) callouts but is #7 and climbing on the Top 40 charts.  The Pop peeps know it's a good song despite the lower Top 40 callout scores.  The country peeps killed it despite the #1 Country callout score.  Also, despite being removed from the current country airplay charts...Gabby's song still has the highest callout score (and up to a 102 score) but you have to look at the recurrent chart included below. 

 

I suspect Gabby and Ashley were sacrificed so country radio would not have to endure 3 #1 female county songs in a month's time. Maddie & Tae hit #1 four weeks ago. 

 

Country radio says "but the callout scores" until is runs counter to their agenda.   No matter how you look at it....misogamy just oozes from their pores.

Current Country Callouts: http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?Sort=P&Archived=1&FORMAT=C1&SEX=3&AGE=3&GRC=C&TestDate=9%2F18%2F2020&newPage=Show+Report

Current Top 40 Callouts: http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?Sort=P&Archived=1&FORMAT=H1&SEX=3&AGE=3&GRC=C&TestDate=9%2F18%2F2020&newPage=Show+Report

Recurrent Country Callout:  http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp?Sort=P&Archived=1&FORMAT=C1&SEX=3&AGE=3&GRC=R&TestDate=9%2F18%2F2020&newPage=Show+Report

[TeamAudra]

I was thinking about this thread today, so I decided to dig it up for a recap. 
 

Country female finalists, all-time. 
 

S4: Danielle - Winner

S9: Emily Ann

S12: Lauren

S14: Spensha 

S15: Chevel - Winner 

 

Country male finalists, all-time.

 

S4: Swon Brothers

S6: Jake W 

S7: Craig - Winner 

S9: Barrett 

S10: Adam W

S11: Sundance - Winner, Josh G

S13: Red

S15: Kirk, Chris

S16: Gyth, Dexter, Andrew

S17: Jake - Winner 

S18: Todd - Winner 

S19: Jim, Ian

 

17 Males

5 Females

 

After this season, it will be 18-5. 
 

Let me know if I missed anyone. If you insist on counting Cassadee, fine. 18-6. 

[Misirlou]

1 hour ago, TeamAudra said:

I was thinking about this thread today, so I decided to dig it up for a recap. 
 

Country female finalists, all-time. 
 

S4: Danielle - Winner

S9: Emily Ann

S12: Lauren

S14: Spensha 

S15: Chevel - Winner 

 

Country male finalists, all-time.

 

S4: Swon Brothers

S6: Jake W 

S7: Craig - Winner 

S9: Barrett 

S10: Adam W

S11: Sundance - Winner, Josh G

S13: Red

S15: Kirk, Chris

S16: Gyth, Dexter, Andrew

S17: Jake - Winner 

S18: Todd - Winner 

S19: Jim, Ian

 

17 Males

5 Females

 

After this season, it will be 18-5. 
 

Let me know if I missed anyone. If you insist on counting Cassadee, fine. 18-6. 

If I´m being honest, we haven´t really had a strong female country singer that´s fit for the show in a while. Taryn was the closest one, but she wasn´t able to deliver on the show. The S16 country girls didn´t deliver at all either , and Gracee in S17 had an open lane and didn´t take advantage of it.

 

As for the males, having watched all of them, I´d personally substract Jake W, Barrett, Josh G, Red, Kirk, Gyth, Jim and Ian (even though I love his tone) from the finale , even though I like a few of them, their run didn´t really scream finale for me. I think the rest of them deserved to go that far. 

 

And yes, looking at S20, seems like we got another one in the way for the finale, probably even for the win.

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Misirlou

[TheVoiceFan2]

1 minute ago, Misirlou said:

and Gracee in S17 had an open lane and Blake didn´t take advantage of it.

 

2 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

Jake W, Barrett, Josh G, Red, Kirk, Gyth, Jim and Ian (even though I love his tone) from the finale , even though I like a few of them, their run didn´t really scream finale

This is literally The Voice and country artists, which is why many people find it frustrating. Ok/mediocre run and you’re a country dude? Congrats on the finale!

Phenomenal run with any other genre (specially pop/soul and female)? singing for the instant save(finale if lucky) and losing against the previously mentioned country dude 

That said, going back to this thread I do wish we get to see a country female frontrunner soon again on the show. It’s been long and the few ones we’ve got I think truly deserved to get where they got based on their runs on the show.

[TeamAudra]

4 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

If I´m being honest, we haven´t really had a strong female country singer that´s fit for the show in a while. Taryn was the closest one, but she wasn´t able to deliver on the show. The S16 country girls didn´t deliver at all either , and Gracee in S17 had an open lane and didn´t take advantage of it.

 

As for the males, having watched all of them, I´d personally substract Jake W, Barrett, Josh G, Red, Kirk, Gyth, Jim and Ian (even though I love his tone) from the finale , even though I like a few of them, their run didn´t really scream finale for me. I think the rest of them deserved to go that far. 

 

And yes, looking at S20, seems like we got another one in the way for the finale, probably even for the win.

 

Just look at the last 5 seasons. 9 males, 1 female. That’s a pretty disturbing trend! The show’s fanbase has become more biased toward male country than ever, over the last 2-3 years. Obviously, that gives Kenzie a huge built-in advantage and some margin for error. 

[Misirlou]

1 minute ago, TeamAudra said:

Just look at the last 5 seasons. 9 males, 1 female. That’s a pretty disturbing trend! The show’s fanbase has become more biased toward male country than ever, over the last 2-3 years. Obviously, that gives Kenzie a huge built-in advantage and some margin for error. 

There´s definitely a bias, thus why I think the show tends to cast less female country singers than males per season, because they know what Minivan prefers. We´ve had very few in the last seasons compared to the guys. (I personally didn´t think any of them deserved finale, but that´s another story). 

 

It´s no secret that The Voice audience favors country. Male country specifically. S16 is all the evidence we needed, hence why TPTB catered their audience by haiving the Cross Battles in a season full of country guys. (I doubt that was their main goal as much as to get rid of Adam, but they definitely did.)

 

[TeamAudra]

5 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

There´s definitely a bias, thus why I think the show tends to cast less female country singers than males per season, because they know what Minivan prefers. We´ve had very few in the last seasons compared to the guys. (I personally didn´t think any of them deserved finale, but that´s another story). 

 

It´s no secret that The Voice audience favors country. Male country specifically. S16 is all the evidence we needed, hence why TPTB catered their audience by haiving the Cross Battles in a season full of country guys. (I doubt that was their main goal as much as to get rid of Adam, but they definitely did.)

 

If Taryn were a male, she probably would have been voted through, despite not delivering. I know we’re on the same page here. I’m just thinking out loud. 

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[Misirlou]

23 minutes ago, TheVoiceFan2 said:

 

This is literally The Voice and country artists, which is why many people find it frustrating. Ok/mediocre run and you’re a country dude? Congrats on the finale!

Phenomenal run with any other genre (specially pop/soul and female)? singing for the instant save(finale if lucky) and losing against the previously mentioned country dude 

That said, going back to this thread I do wish we get to see a country female frontrunner soon again on the show. It’s been long and the few ones we’ve got I think truly deserved to get where they got based on their runs on the show.

I mean, everybody has their biases. Minivan has a bias against a lot of artists from other genres and are a lot harsher on female country artists. IDF is biased against country males. It´s everywhere. They just happen to be the main demographic for the show, hence why the resutls are what they please.

 

I can guarantee you, no country male would even make it to semis if it were up to IDF, or Mjsbigblog. The same way in which Minivan gives a harder time to indie and alternative artists in particular, which are beloved here. Nobody´s innocent of it.

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[disney1024]

29 minutes ago, Misirlou said:

Gracee in S17 had an open lane and Blake did not take advantage of it.

2 years later and I still don't understand why he saved Cali over Gracee. I get that he's biased against his steals but seriously? He saved Cali?!?! 

[TeamAudra]

Anyway, I’m on the verge of giving up the show, because it’s become too predictable. I’ll still check in and support the few fan threads I have, and throw my two cents in here and there, but I’ve totally lost interest, just like I did with country radio a few years ago. 

[Misirlou]

4 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

If Taryn were a male, she probably would have been voted through, despite not delivering. I know we’re on the same page here. I’m just thinking out loud. 

It´s definitely possible. We would also have to take in account song choice if that was the case (since Minivan clearly prefers ballads to the uptempo numbers like the one Taryn did in the playoffs), but I see where you´re coming from. That does check a box in Minivan´s preference.

[Rodney]

Chevel was the last country girl to make the finale?!  That's just crazy!

 

I think part of the reason for country females not going far is Blake himself.  At least in recent seasons.  Even when country girls pick him (something that I would say is now ill-advised), he lately seems to drop them the first chance he gets.   It's like he, too, sees the trend and is largely acting accordingly.

 

These days, I think that country girls should try to pick Kelly, if she turns for them.  At least she still tries to take them far.  Or even go for John, Nick, or Gwen.   In those cases, they would have an open lane and not have to worry about Blake's own biases.  It's how I knew that Hannah Kay was doomed in season sixteen.  Picking Blake over Kelly was a HUGE blunder on her part.

[Misirlou]

2 minutes ago, disney1024 said:

2 years later and I still don't understand why he saved Cali over Gracee. I get that he's biased against his steals but seriously? He saved Cali?!?! 

He thought Gracee would win the Wildcard  (since she´s country obviously). He said it himself. But the whole thing backfired when Hello Sunday proved to have more appeal than she did. Kelly did good in not saving them. Had Damali or Shane been in that position, they wouldn´t have won it.

[disney1024]

1 minute ago, Misirlou said:

He thought Gracee would win the Wildcard (since she´s country obviously). He said it himself. But the whole thing backfired when Hello Sunday proved to have more appeal than she did. Kelly did good in not saving them. Had Damali or Shane been in that position, they wouldn´t have won it.

Yeah, I remember. That was the most BS reasoning I heard. He clearly shouldn't have taken that risk because Gracee >>>> Cali. Cali was eliminated literally the next week but I think Gracee would've probably made it to the top 10, if not the semi-finals. 

[TeamAudra]

10 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Chevel was the last country girl to make the finale?!  That's just crazy!

 

I think part of the reason for country females not going far is Blake himself.  At least in recent seasons.  Even when country girls pick him (something that I would say is now ill-advised), he lately seems to drop them the first chance he gets.   It's like he, too, sees the trend and is largely acting accordingly.

 

These days, I think that country girls should try to pick Kelly, if she turns for them.  At least she still tries to take them far.  Or even go for John, Nick, or Gwen.   In those cases, they would have an open lane and not have to worry about Blake's own biases.  It's how I knew that Hannah Kay was doomed in season sixteen.  Picking Blake over Kelly was a HUGE blunder on her part.

I agree 100% with what you said about Blake. He totally used Taryn as fodder for WTW, who ended up being a disaster on the show. That’s just Blake seeing a cute teen girl, and ignoring the fact that they weren’t ready for this.