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4 hours ago, Smoochy said:

Why are only independent conservative news sources the ones you classify as “real news”? Why not The Rational National, The Humanist Report, or Secular Talk?

 

You know for a fact, that I post Jimmy Dore & Kim Iversen (Progressive Democrats), go back to my earliest posts. THAT, will tell you everything (including when I used to say, that I hate Trump). so .... I am done explaining myself, to you people. If you don't want to research anything, it's on you.

 

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I can see the Trump supporters are as delusional as Trump here. Posting a bunch of fake conspiracy theories is pretty pathetic, but Trump knew he could manipulate his voters into this charade.  

I find it hilarious how Trumpsters (and Republicans in general) are just so used to cheating and bullying their way through life, that they simply can't fathom that 75 million Americans voted against

BRB, making a YouTube video about this DEFINITIVE PROOF of ELECTORAL FRAUD in Florida. People looking for this type of stuff will eat it up without question.

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3 hours ago, Someone648 said:

...And I have a week of vacation from work with nowhere to go bc of Covid so Imma respond (WOW THIS TURNED OUT WAY LONGER THAN I THOUGHT LOL)

So for several parts, I absolutely agree. Anti-war, free speech, protecting/helping children (quite literally the field I work in), and protecting SS/Medicare (one of my biggest complaints about Joe)

 

A couple things I'd like to point out though:

-Cancel culture - does it exist and is it really the opposite of freedom of speech? I think the way to answer that would be weighing out whether or not the "canceled" people actually face real-life repercussions. We obviously have annoying stan/k-pop accounts starting a new hashtag on Twitter every 25 minutes out of boredom, but that's not where I see actual "cancel culture."

Reminder that freedom of speech protects your speech from legal repercussions and nothing else. I wanna use Shane Gillis as an example for my reasoning... Shane Gillis got hired then fired from SNL in less than a week (this was last year) because people deemed his previous content super offensive. That's the extent of his "canceling." NBC heard feedback and made a decision to not go through with his employment as a result. He's not facing any consequences for that - he's responsible for whatever he said. No one was threatening to torch 30 Rockefeller Center based on his hiring, maybe a few unruly people messaged him a death threat or two but that hardly means anything in the grand scheme of things about the current climate of the country. "Cancel Culture," in my opinion, is just a word that the media uses to point out when somebody's getting criticized for something they've done or said or holding them accountable. And the worst part about this misinterpretation is that people suck at responding to it. Blackface somehow became a point of contention again back in the summer. How did companies respond? We got a bunch of TV episodes pulled off of streaming services (Always Sunny, 30 Rock, Scrubs, etc.) instead of doing anything to address the issue. Not a single person asked for that - they want things to be addressed and give some signal of change, not erasing history.

Furthermore, the "victims" of cancel culture rarely face long-term repercussions to their career unless the law catches up with them (looking at you, R. Kelly!). Also worth noting that as much as the Republicans and conservatives looooove to talk about free speech/complain about cancel culture, they do a pretty damn good job at cancelling and opposing free speech themselves. The Dixie Chicks are barely making their full comeback some 16/17 years later and still get crap, and the NFL is too much of a beast to actually "cancel" but you still have so many people on the right complaining/refusing to watch years after Kaep took a knee, etc.

 

(So somehow I went off on a huge tangent here but I liked what I wrote so I'm keeping it up lol - TL;DR I don't see anything wrong with holding people accountable; no one's rights are ever really threatened unless they do something legally wrong like R. Kelly. Cancel culture isn't necessarily a creation of the left, and the media is responsible for hyping it up, but it's not indicative of any political movement in particular when both sides do it - and the right frankly cancels more successfully)

 

-Trafficking/abuse - So I'm aware that you've fallen down this rabbit hole based on some of your previous posts and I'm not sure if it's worth diving deep into it, so just to point out some stuff off the top of my head - a large percentage of missing children/youth are runaways. I know stats vary, but I believe it's something around 90% are runaways and less than 5% are abudctions - with the majority of this 5% being family-related. Also, I'm close with people involved in a program aimed at reconnecting homeless individuals with loved ones after several. In several of these cases, these people were listed as missing in their teens/presumed dead by their family members. Not really a stat there, just a personal observation.

Now none of this is to say that trafficking and kidnapping aren't issues of importance. In fact I'm willing to agree that there's quite a few of the "higher-ups" involved in child trafficking (we know Epstein didn't kill himself right?), but the recent sudden interest from conservatives in child trafficking is stemming from conspiracies like QAnon which are just... vehemently false and are just trying to paint Trump in the right. It's super bizarre. Trump and Clinton were both buddies with Epstein - neither of them are probably in the right there. They just keep hyping up the idea of "THE CHILDREN ARE IN DANGER" as if there aren't already organization/institutions working on it. I remember earlier last month there were a bunch of articles and websites hyping up something about 30-something kids being found in Georgia and saying that mainstream media not covering it was proof of fake news being in on trafficking or something? If I remember correctly, not only was that false - but y'all realize that these operations happen often right? There's not enough time in the 24-hr news cycle to talk about every child labeled as "missing" when they're recovered. Some of them get recovered in just days and, going back to the 90+% thing I mentioned earlier, more often than not it's nothing nefarious.

I'd love to hear support from the people concerned about the safety of these children talking about children at the border though!

 

 

And finally, just really quick:

Democratic Party =/= Progressivism/Socialism/Anything like that. It's just capitalism/corporate centrism. The U.S. doesn't have a legitimate left party. Joe's opposition to Medicare for All and preference to get rid of Social Security probably say enough about that.

 

 

I appreciate your response! I do understand that sometimes I can come off as rude/too sarcastic but I do enjoy engaging in these conversations/defending my point. I agree with a lot of your points, I just feel we're coming from very different trains of thought...

 

If you want to know more about my thoughts, go way back to earlier posts, even where I literally said, that I hate Trump. I have better things to do, like ......more research  Buh Bye

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More progressives (The Convo Couch), weighing in on The Debates, Nancy Pelosi, and The Left Smearing Tulsi Gabbard (for something new & different 😬). I really like these two (Pasta & Fiorella). They are really on the up & up

 

 

 

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I may be an evil person for not really caring. But he himself said it is what is to 180,000 dying so...even?

 

Unforunately I think this will be a huge rallying cry for his fanbase, especially if he does have some complications from it

 

 

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I wish him and Melania well. He hasn't exactly been totally forthcoming about his own health on occasion, so it's a little concerning to say the least. So far, Vice President Pence has tested negative and is being tested daily. 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Drew said:

I wish him and Melania well. He hasn't exactly been totally forthcoming about his own health on occasion, so it's a little concerning to say the least. So far, Vice President Pence has tested negative and is being tested daily. 

 

 

Its actually a lose-lose situation. If Trump has mild symptoms then it will bring the self proclaimed "patriots and freedom warriors" out in full force in public without masks.

 

If he has serious complications then our country will also be thrown into chaos. I'm also concerend he could have given it to Biden

 

Both are in the at risk age range. Although Trump is arguably more mentally sharp I dont think his physical health is great. I actually study nutrition a little in my free time and I just know too much about what a poor diet and obesity can do. Or maybe he just has good genes.

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32 minutes ago, sneaky said:

Its actually a lose-lose situation. If Trump has mild symptoms then it will bring the self proclaimed "patriots and freedom warriors" out in full force in public without masks.

 

If he has serious complications then our country will also be thrown into chaos. I'm also concerned he could have given it to Biden

 

Both are in the at risk age range. Although Trump is arguably more mentally sharp I dont think his physical health is great. I actually study nutrition a little in my free time and I just know too much about what a poor diet and obesity can do. Or maybe he just has good genes.

Agree with this. The conspiracies already started the second it was announced. Trump being able to brush it off as a mild case in less than 2 weeks would have insane effects because you know he won't admit the severity of the symptoms. And then a good chunk of the population would refuse to go out in their masks and start big gatherings again...

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Infection mortality rate for someone in Trump's age range, is around 5% globally (95% survival rate)*. While Trump is plenty overweight, I think he's healthy enough to get through this. Plus, he will receive the absolute best care possible, which isn't something that those living under the poverty line have the privilege of. 

* Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2

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No chance imo this is a hoax or some kind of moonshot to alter the discourse on the virus, like liberals are suggesting. He would never agree to a ploy like this that he thinks makes him look weak. Zero.

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Has the "Lying News" shown this, yet?  😬

 

A bombshell letter was released by John Ratcliff, Director of National Intelligence that makes it clear the Trump collusion allegations was in fact a Hillary Clinton fabricated event designed to create chaos and divert attention from her own actions. The letter outlines three bullet points.

 

https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/2020/09/director-of-national-intelligence-declassified-bombshell-information-will-anyone-be-held-accountable/

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So all the ads from Republican candidates accusing their opponents of being radical and far left. Proof the American right are, indeed, radical

 

 

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What Russia-Gating Media Doesn't Say About HUNTER BIDEN!   Thank you Jimmy Dore, for being a sane, honest voice of the left. But then again, he doesn't have to appease any corporate/pharmaceutical masters 

 

 

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Openly advocating violence/harm against the president isn't appropriate in any way, shape, or form regardless of which party they belong to. 

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I hope that most people are above wishing death upon someone. I think the United States would be much better without Trump as President, but at the end of the day he is still a father, husband, etc. If you want him gone, vote him out. Wishing death aint it.

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On 10/2/2020 at 7:58 AM, sneaky said:

I may be an evil person for not really caring. But he himself said it is what is to 180,000 dying so...even?

 

Unforunately I think this will be a huge rallying cry for his fanbase, especially if he does have some complications from it

 

 


My grandmother had Covid. She lives in a nursing home that was locked down. Although she has recovered, there was a very real possibility that she was going to die there - alone. 
 

And I believe the President Said lives lost from Blue States don’t matter.

 

The only reason I don’t want him to die is that I want to see him put in jail after he loses the election. But I hope he suffers. 

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