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36 minutes ago, RWG said:

Here I'll solve it for y'all

 

 


Everyone knew about this when they voted last time. You can’t use this as evidence that the story in question is factual. That’s not how it works! 🙃

 

 

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I can see the Trump supporters are as delusional as Trump here. Posting a bunch of fake conspiracy theories is pretty pathetic, but Trump knew he could manipulate his voters into this charade.  

I find it hilarious how Trumpsters (and Republicans in general) are just so used to cheating and bullying their way through life, that they simply can't fathom that 75 million Americans voted against

BRB, making a YouTube video about this DEFINITIVE PROOF of ELECTORAL FRAUD in Florida. People looking for this type of stuff will eat it up without question.

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1 hour ago, TeamAudra said:


No, it is not the same argument. On one hand, we have anonymous sources making claims, and on the other, we have numerous on the record sources debunking it, including a guy who just wrote an anti-Trump book. 
 

As for the Cohen/CNN story, we have a freaking Washington Post columnist debunking it on Twitter along with concrete evidence. These are crazy times, indeed. 


"Debunked" by saying it's not true. The difference between the two is that a few people felt comfortable enough to put their name to a statement. I can make statements about anything, and I can put my name on it. It doesn't mean anything.

I'm not saying it's true or not. It's one of those things where there is almost no way to prove which side is right without audio evidence. Would it surprise me if Trump made those remarks? No, it does seem par the course for him. However that's sort of where it ends. And like I said before, even if evidence came to light showing that these accusations were true, it really doesn't matter. His brainwashed minions will still suck him off and fondle the balls while doing so. Democrats will continue to not vote for him. It doesn't change a thing.

But to argue any position on this is laughable at best. Nothing has been confirmed or debunked, so you're hanging onto the side of the he-said-she-said which you like better, while telling the other side that they're wrong. 

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That's a very good point. If anything, it's a wash. Look, do I think Trump has extremely thin skin and probably does lose his temper frequently? Yes. Do I think said what he said about John McCain? Of course. Was it low rent bordering on just flat out cruel that he then went on to criticize him publicly long after he had passed away? Yes!! At the end of the day though, these things aren't going to move the needle on whether folks are going to vote for him. 

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17 hours ago, ButterflyEffect said:


"Debunked" by saying it's not true. The difference between the two is that a few people felt comfortable enough to put their name to a statement. I can make statements about anything, and I can put my name on it. It doesn't mean anything.

I'm not saying it's true or not. It's one of those things where there is almost no way to prove which side is right without audio evidence. Would it surprise me if Trump made those remarks? No, it does seem par the course for him. However that's sort of where it ends. And like I said before, even if evidence came to light showing that these accusations were true, it really doesn't matter. His brainwashed minions will still suck him off and fondle the balls while doing so. Democrats will continue to not vote for him. It doesn't change a thing.

But to argue any position on this is laughable at best. Nothing has been confirmed or debunked, so you're hanging onto the side of the he-said-she-said which you like better, while telling the other side that they're wrong. 

 

Except for .... I personally KNOW 5 democrats, that are voting for him, that voted for Hillary, last time around. So .... please keep in mind, that the progressive left, are NOT voting for Biden/Harris. I will continue to bring examples of this. So .... tell yourself, what you need to 

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19 hours ago, TeamAudra said:


No, it is not the same argument. On one hand, we have anonymous sources making claims, and on the other, we have numerous on the record sources debunking it, including a guy who just wrote an anti-Trump book. 
 

As for the Cohen/CNN story, we have a freaking Washington Post columnist debunking it on Twitter along with concrete evidence. These are crazy times, indeed. 

 

THIS. Because, when there are NO NAMES, attached to those making claims that he said it, but REAL NAMES, of those who debunk it, well ..... the proof is in the puddin'. So .... until there are REAL NAMES, of those who are making those claims, it is fake news. 

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Except for .... I personally KNOW 5 democrats, that are voting for him, that voted for Hillary, last time around. So .... please keep in mind, that the progressive left, are NOT voting for Biden/Harris. I will continue to bring examples of this. So .... tell yourself, what you need to 

I consider myself a democratic socialist (huge Bernie supporter, would argue I'm to the left of Bernie on some issues) and I am supporting Biden (despite the fact that I live in a deep red state). I would much rather work against Biden (a moderate neoliberal) than work against Trump (arguably a fascist). Letting Trump keep the White House does nothing but further hurt my ideology. Why would I support that? Just to show my displeasure with the Democrats? Yes, I disagree with Biden on a ton of issues, but I'd be kidding myself if I pretended he and Trump are basically the same.

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5 minutes ago, psterina said:

 

Except for .... I personally KNOW 5 democrats, that are voting for him, that voted for Hillary, last time around. So .... please keep in mind, that the progressive left, are NOT voting for Biden/Harris. I will continue to bring examples of this. So .... tell yourself, what you need to 

I will say, Bernie did manage to make sure his messaging was right immediately after he withdrew from the race, so it certainly took place a lot sooner than it did when he lost to Clinton the last time around. Do you think this will make a difference? Obviously you can't be responsible for bringing along 100% of your supporters because that's never going to happen. 

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Just now, Smoochy said:

I'm a progressive leftist/democratic socialist and I am supporting Biden (despite the fact that I live in a deep red state). I would much rather work against Biden (a moderate neoliberal) than work against Trump (arguably a fascist). Letting Trump keep the White House does nothing but further hurt my ideology. Why would I support that? Just to show my displeasure with the Democrats? Yes, I disagree with Biden on a ton of issues, but I'd be kidding myself if I pretended he and Trump are basically the same.

Yeah, I never understood this. Ideologically, they have similarities in terms of trade policy but that's about it. Still, I can't help but recall hearing from primary voters in New Hampshire way back when, the two candidates they were torn between: Trump and Sanders. You could chalk it up to wanting to disrupt the system/burn it down, but definitely interesting. 

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7 minutes ago, Drew said:

Yeah, I never understood this. Ideologically, they have similarities in terms of trade policy but that's about it. Still, I can't help but recall hearing from primary voters in New Hampshire way back when, the two candidates they were torn between: Trump and Sanders. You could chalk it up to wanting to disrupt the system/burn it down, but definitely interesting. 

It makes my brain hurt. The only similarity with Bernie and Trump was, as you said, they both discussed the issues of trade and how it hurt manufacturing and plant jobs here in the US. Otherwise, they are polar opposites and I don't see how any self described democratic socialist could support Trump.

 

That's not to discredit those voters in 2016 who voted Obama twice and switched to Trump. I can be sympathetic to those who's main concern was the fact that their jobs were shipped overseas due to these trade deals and they were left to struggle and felt that no one in Washington gave a shit about them, so they went with Trump because he, at least, had a message that sounded like he cared (obviously he never did, I mean the guy's own jobs are outsourced) but if they felt torn between Trump and Hillary because they felt Hillary really wasn't going to do anything for them, I can sort of see where they were coming from. At this stage, he has done freak all for those people and if they still support him, they're just naive.

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The whole process, is corrupt, beginning with the DNC & The MSM. There is NO representation, for progressives. This is going to change. 

 

I have observed these last few months, just how beholden, our "media" is to corporations. Why? Because 6 CORPORATIONS OWN THE MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

HIGHER UPS, FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, ARE ON THEIR BOARDS !!!!!!!!!

 

I became aware of it, after I watched what was done to Tulsi Gabbard. The level, of smearing, was out the roof, and if they weren't smearing her, they were totally ignoring her, and moving the goal posts, to prevent her, from participating in the debates, and also .... how come the exit polls during the primaries, differed so much, from the numbers, that were put out? There shouldn't be THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE! The media was silent, regarding that

 

So .... I began thinking .... if they were totally making it up, regarding Tulsi, being a "Russian Asset", maybe, that's what they are doing to Trump. That is EXACTLY, what was going on. Look at how much waste of time & waste of resources, went into THAT!!! 

 

We are only told, what they want to tell us, and believe me ... there is so much, most people, are not aware of. SO MUCH!  Things will come out, and .... there will be MELTDOWNS!!!!!!

Remember this. It won't be long.

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1 hour ago, Smoochy said:

I consider myself a democratic socialist (huge Bernie supporter, would argue I'm to the left of Bernie on some issues) and I am supporting Biden (despite the fact that I live in a deep red state). I would much rather work against Biden (a moderate neoliberal) than work against Trump (arguably a fascist). Letting Trump keep the White House does nothing but further hurt my ideology. Why would I support that? Just to show my displeasure with the Democrats? Yes, I disagree with Biden on a ton of issues, but I'd be kidding myself if I pretended he and Trump are basically the same.

Pretty much the same boat I'm in. I'm voting to kick Trump and his vile cabinet out, not necessarily get Biden in.

I'll be voting blue in November, but can't guarantee that the Democratic Party will get my vote again in 2024 unless there's some sign that they're embracing more progressive ideals and not just trying to maintain the old status quo. I understand it'll take more than 4 years to get anywhere, but if I'm not happy with what the party's direction is going to be, I don't see any reason why I should be supporting them other than to vote out a candidate like Trump.

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9 minutes ago, Someone648 said:

Pretty much the same boat I'm in. I'm voting to kick Trump and his vile cabinet out, not necessarily get Biden in.

I'll be voting blue in November, but can't guarantee that the Democratic Party will get my vote again in 2024 unless there's some sign that they're embracing more progressive ideals and not just trying to maintain the old status quo. I understand it'll take more than 4 years to get anywhere, but if I'm not happy with what the party's direction is going to be, I don't see any reason why I should be supporting them other than to vote out a candidate like Trump.

To me, this is why it's going to be close. I rarely see any enthusiasm for Biden. If you're voting for Trump, you're still energized. 

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20 minutes ago, Drew said:

To me, this is why it's going to be close. I rarely see any enthusiasm for Biden. If you're voting for Trump, you're still energized. 

Exactly. They can possibly bank on “Vote for us, we’re not Trump” and “restore sanity” platform for now,  but by 2024 they’ll need a clear direction beyond undoing Trump’s everything.
No Republican will get my vote anytime in the near future, but the Democrats are on thin ice.

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1 hour ago, Someone648 said:

Pretty much the same boat I'm in. I'm voting to kick Trump and his vile cabinet out, not necessarily get Biden in.

I'll be voting blue in November, but can't guarantee that the Democratic Party will get my vote again in 2024 unless there's some sign that they're embracing more progressive ideals and not just trying to maintain the old status quo. I understand it'll take more than 4 years to get anywhere, but if I'm not happy with what the party's direction is going to be, I don't see any reason why I should be supporting them other than to vote out a candidate like Trump.


We don’t have much in common from

an ideology standpoint, but I can tell you it’s liberating to be an “Independent.”  Trump’s jackassery in the 2016 primary was the last straw for me. I don’t see any good reason to align myself with any political party, and be partially responsible for their policies and actions. I’m basically a “leave me the f*ck alone” voter. 

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2 hours ago, Someone648 said:

Exactly. They can possibly bank on “Vote for us, we’re not Trump” and “restore sanity” platform for now,  but by 2024 they’ll need a clear direction beyond undoing Trump’s everything.
No Republican will get my vote anytime in the near future, but the Democrats are on thin ice.


An "I'm not Trump" campaign can get you in trouble if you don't provide any substance for the electorate to judge you by. It didn't work for Andrew Scheer vs. Justin Trudeau. Swing voters may be more comfortable with the demon they know (Trump) vs. one they know nothing about (Biden). Give people a reason to vote for you beyond "I'm not Trump" and you stand a much better chance.  

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2 hours ago, TeamAudra said:


We don’t have much in common from

an ideology standpoint, but I can tell you it’s liberating to be an “Independent.”  Trump’s jackassery in the 2016 primary was the last straw for me. I don’t see any good reason to align myself with any political party, and be partially responsible for their policies and actions. I’m basically a “leave me the f*ck alone” voter. 

Definitely true. I vote blue but I’m definitely to the left of the Democratic Party. I live in a red district in California, our Congressman bends over backwards for Trump, and the blue folks that we do have in my area are more tied to the Democratic Party rather than the progress ideals I support so I’m constantly frustrated.
Also, Feinstein’s been a state senator for literally my entire life and I can’t stand her. For all of my complaints about Kamala, I like her as a Senator and am really concerned about who takes over for her if Biden does win. She was a slight step in the right direction but I don’t know if the state will replace her with someone like her or like Feinstein (or a Republican... yikes)

 

 

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50 minutes ago, ButterflyEffect said:


An "I'm not Trump" campaign can get you in trouble if you don't provide any substance for the electorate to judge you by. It didn't work for Andrew Scheer vs. Justin Trudeau. Swing voters may be more comfortable with the demon they know (Trump) vs. one they know nothing about (Biden). Give people a reason to vote for you beyond "I'm not Trump" and you stand a much better chance.  

Yeah. I do think Biden’s been slowly talking more about his platform which is good. I’m honestly only 50/50 on whether or not Biden will actually gather enough support on election day.

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We got the bastard's voice admitting his evil now.  This would immediately end any normal Presidency. This is on par with the Nixon smoking gun tape.  

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A day removed from this, I'm not sure how damaging it ultimately is. Like most things, if you already have disliked the president from the beginning, you're going to make Watergate comparisons. If you believe there was a large segment of people that were never going to give a chance from the outset, you'll view this as another attempt to blame everything on him. 

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17 minutes ago, ButterflyEffect said:

It'd be a damning audio clip in just about every other democratic country in the world. But there is nothing that Trump could do to make Republicans run away from him. 

 

Which is why Trump's America has turned into Waco with Trump being David Koresh and the Republicans being the Branch Davidians.

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He actually went on tape and admitted for 18 hours all his crimes and evil. I mean why would he think that was a good idea? He must really be mentally declined. But these people making excuses for him are going to have a hard time when there is tape to back up the claims against him when he's admitting everything. This is worse than Watergate. Way worse.

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This is mentally ill itself. How the hell can THIS be Joe Biden's America when Trump has been President the last nearly 4 years and Joe has not had any sort of power in all that time? I mean I know Trump's minions will buy his cause they are dumb enough to but the rest of America is smart enough to know Trump has had control over every thing he is blaming Biden on.  A man who is not currently and has not been recently in a Government role. 

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