The American Politics Thread!

[Smoochy]

It just keeps going and going and going.

 

 

[TeamAudra]

I stand with Bernie on literally NOTHING, except for this....

 

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Edited February 6, 2020 by TeamAudra

[RWG]

On 2/6/2020 at 9:18 AM, sneaky said:

I think the Democrats would go so far as to JFK Bernie if he won the primary.

 

Obama, Hillary, Trump, Kerry different personalitles but the same person

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476

If he appears to be on a trajectory to be the nominee, they will throw the kitchen sink at him, if they're not already. It's my hope that anyone supporting any Dem candidate will vote for the eventual nominee, but it will be hard to blame Sanders's supporters for staying home if they screw him with super delegates at the convention. Any firm, pro sports team, military division, organization in general, makes personnel and culture changes at the top after a prolonged period of embarrassing failures. Just not the Democrats. Has to be the same people and priorities, forever. 

 

And yeah, it feels like Trump's re-election prospects are strong at the moment. I do think Bernie could eat his lunch with some midwestern voters. I don't think it matters that he's a socialist because Republicans have wasted that label on centrist Dems way too often in the past. I can't see any of the other candidates winning the general. Bernie could cost the Dems congress seats and end up with no legislative power as president, but I can at least imagine him winning the electoral college.

[TeamAudra]

1/2 hour into this debate....tbh, if I were a Democrat, I’d probably vote for Pete over the rest of this group. At this point, I won’t be surprised if he ends up winning the nomination. That said, there’s a glaring lack of experience there. 
 

Biden - his age is starting to catch up with him. 
 

Bernie - High floor, low ceiling candidate. 
 

Warren - I feel like I’m being lectured by my 1st grade teacher whenever I listen to her. 
 

Klobuchar - She doesn’t have enough charisma to win. 
 

The two clowns on the end are wasting everyone’s time, so I’m not even going to bother commenting on them. 

[TeamAudra]

Hmmmm....

 

As we go further into the debate, though...Pete is getting beat up a little, and his responses are very weak. Looking on Twitter, I think he’s going to struggle to get the black vote. Disregard what I said earlier. LOL
 

 

Edited February 8, 2020 by TeamAudra

[sneaky]

5 hours ago, RWG said:

If he appears to be on a trajectory to be the nominee, they will throw the kitchen sink at him, if they're not already. It's my hope that anyone supporting any Dem candidate will vote for the eventual nominee, but it will be hard to blame Sanders's supporters for staying home if they screw him with super delegates at the convention. Any firm, pro sports team, military division, organization in general, makes personnel and culture changes at the top after a prolonged period of embarrassing failures. Just not the Democrats. Has to be the same people and priorities, forever. 

 

And yeah, it feels like Trump's re-election prospects are strong at the moment. I do think Bernie could eat his lunch with some midwestern voters. I don't think it matters that he's a socialist because Republicans have wasted that label on centrist Dems way too often in the past. I can't see any of the other candidates winning the general. Bernie could cost the Dems congress seats and end up with no legislative power as president, but I can at least imagine him winning the electoral college.

I'd be willing to accept a non Bernie result if I felt this was a legit process. But the Iowa process seems suspicious.  No one has even mentioned yet that Buttegieg paid "Shadow app" 40,000 dollars. The same app tabulating the results. And so many other red flags like them "mistakingly" giving Bernie's delegates to Deval PAtrick

 

I know liberals who wont vote blue unless its Bernie. Im not sure what the best course of action is. On one hand I think any of the candidates would be better than Trump, in theory. But a lot of people say the Democrats need to learn a lesson to stop sending us corrupt candidates. This whole two party system needs to die but with so many urgent problems in the present and near future Im not sure we can afford to do that

[TeamAudra]

Watching post debate coverage on CNN. They hardly even mention Bernie’s name. I’m sure that’s by design. These people are all party hacks, and they clearly don’t want Bernie. I don’t think they want Pete either, tbh. 

Edited February 8, 2020 by TeamAudra

[Guest]

How many of you heard about Deval being assigned some of Bernie's delegates ~by accident initially? What a mess, lol.

[sneaky]

3 hours ago, Drew said:

How many of you heard about Deval being assigned some of Bernie's delegates ~by accident initially? What a mess, lol.

I did. I dont think anything the DNC does is by accident anymore.

 

I wonder if it is more corrupt than the RNC?

[mercfan3]

On 2/7/2020 at 11:15 PM, TeamAudra said:

Watching post debate coverage on CNN. They hardly even mention Bernie’s name. I’m sure that’s by design. These people are all party hacks, and they clearly don’t want Bernie. I don’t think they want Pete either, tbh. 

 

Honestly, I think I'll take Pete over the other three. 

 

The Iowa Debacle is hilarious. Seriously, that's what Bernie gets for his crap..hopefully another state gets to go first next time, and no more caucuses. This Bernie is a victim narrative is hilarious. He's running in the Democratic Primary - and he's not a Democrat. He got every rule change he wanted, the result being an early exit of better candidates - and it screwed him in the end. The first two states should have been blow outs for Sanders, and he failed to do so. Pete had a better ground game than everyone (clearly) in Iowa. Good for him. (Unless someone else can win in the South, we're still getting Biden..) 

 

It's funny how it is never Sanders' fault when he underperforms, and again..he's muddying the waters. He pushed for the mess of the caucus system that we got. Now he wants to claim a popular vote victory?  The party should be ashamed for following him..and for relying on a brand new app to count for them (seriously)...granted, truth is the caucus is undemocratic. Hopefully this debacle ends it. 

 

Also..special shout out to Joe Biden, who yelled for three years that he could have done better than Hillary, and managed to come in fourth in a state she won..

Edited February 9, 2020 by mercfan3

[TeamAudra]

10 hours ago, mercfan3 said:

 

Honestly, I think I'll take Pete over the other three. 

 

The Iowa Debacle is hilarious. Seriously, that's what Bernie gets for his crap..hopefully another state gets to go first next time, and no more caucuses. This Bernie is a victim narrative is hilarious. He's running in the Democratic Primary - and he's not a Democrat. He got every rule change he wanted, the result being an early exit of better candidates - and it screwed him in the end. The first two states should have been blow outs for Sanders, and he failed to do so. Pete had a better ground game than everyone (clearly) in Iowa. Good for him. (Unless someone else can win in the South, we're still getting Biden..) 

 

It's funny how it is never Sanders' fault when he underperforms, and again..he's muddying the waters. He pushed for the mess of the caucus system that we got. Now he wants to claim a popular vote victory?  The party should be ashamed for following him..and for relying on a brand new app to count for them (seriously)...granted, truth is the caucus is undemocratic. Hopefully this debacle ends it. 

 

Also..special shout out to Joe Biden, who yelled for three years that he could have done better than Hillary, and managed to come in fourth in a state she won..

The bottom line....your party is a dumpster fire right now. 

[ButterflyEffect]

The biggest dumpster fire in all the land.

[sneaky]

People say Bernie is not electable. I'm a Bernie supporter and here are my results which I wouldnt call far left. Especially because this quiz skews answers to the left by making the conservative view points sound overly nefarious.

 

Still a fun quiz

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-4.38&soc=-4.31

[mercfan3]

Absolutely a dumpster fire.

 

and that’s what the DNC gets for listening to Sanders. Whose side of the party is an astounding 0-14 in battle ground areas, and whom lost by 4 million votes in the last primary.

 

He has his Bernie or Bust fans..but he is unable to grow his base because most Democrats don’t agree with him. 
 

We would be so much better off with Beto, Harris, Booker, Castro, and Gillibrand as our top 5, instead of this mess. Credit to Pete for not playing into Sanders hands via donors. Although he was last on my list for the younger Democrats - I’ve got to give him credit there. 

[TeamAudra]

4 hours ago, sneaky said:

People say Bernie is not electable. I'm a Bernie supporter and here are my results which I wouldnt call far left. Especially because this quiz skews answers to the left by making the conservative view points sound overly nefarious.

 

Still a fun quiz

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-4.38&soc=-4.31

They say he’s a “high floor, low ceiling” candidate, which I think is spot on. Trump is too, but he doesn’t have the “Socialist” label attached to him, and his policies aren’t viewed as radical by the masses (like Bernie’s policies are). Sure, plenty of people disagree with some of his policies, but that’s always going to be the case. 
 

Bernie is absolutely viewed as a nut job by most people outside of his base. I’m trying to think of a comparable righty, but I can’t come up with a past viable Presidential candidate who was as far right as Bernie is left.

 

He’s not going to be the nominee anyway, because of the “low ceiling” problem that he has. 

Edited February 9, 2020 by TeamAudra

[RWG]

I thought this was from The Onion at first, then that it was an exaggeration of something he said taken out of context. But Pete really seems to think there should be compulsory military service for all high school graduates?

 

[ButterflyEffect]

6 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

They say he’s a “high floor, low ceiling” candidate, which I think is spot on. Trump is too, but he doesn’t have the “Socialist” label attached to him, and his policies aren’t viewed as radical by the masses (like Bernie’s policies are). Sure, plenty of people disagree with some of his policies, but that’s always going to be the case. 
 

Bernie is absolutely viewed as a nut job by most people outside of his base. I’m trying to think of a comparable righty, but I can’t come up with a past viable Presidential candidate who was as far right as Bernie is left.

 

He’s not going to be the nominee anyway, because of the “low ceiling” problem that he has. 

Bernie is a great way to gauge how different America and Canada are from one another. I don't think anything Bernie is proposing would be shocking or out of line in Canadian politics if he were the leader of the New Democratic party. But as a candidate for the Democrats his ideas are considered crazy. 

Bernie is about 20 years ahead of the rest of the USA. The day will come when his platform will be regarded as the way forward and people will flock on board of it. But that likely wont be in the foreseeable future. A change in mindset doesn't happen to 300+ million people overnight.

[psterina]

The DNC, is corrupt as H3LL. IOWA, was an absolute mess!!   And seriously … Pete's campaign, donated over 42,000.00 to the SHADOW app Company?  How, is that OK? 

That, is beyond suspect, especially when Pete called it, way too early, for himself. This, really needs to be investigated, and Tom Perez, needs to be fired, for many reasons. 

 

Anyway ..  candidates spoke today, but none got booed, except for Pete , with the crowd yelling "Wall Street Pete"    

 

[TeamAudra]

First of all, I could never vote for any of the Democrats. 
 

Now that we got that out of the way...I haven’t paid much attention to the Democrat campaign until recently, due to being burned out by following the the constant chaos surrounding Trump. 
 

My first impression of Pete was, “wow, this guy is sharp, and only 38 years old. Yeah, he’s inexperienced, but he might appeal to younger voters, and generate excitement in that party.” Well, that lasted about 30 minutes. Dude is nothing more than a walking talking point, with very little substance. Once he got knocked off his talking points in the debate, he was lost. He was a mayor of a town of 100K people, and black people hate him. If this crop of candidates wasn’t so flawed, I’d assume he has no shot, but crazier things have happened. 

Edited February 10, 2020 by TeamAudra

[psterina]

Oh wow. Gary Johnson, just endorsed Tulsi Gabbard!  

 

 

[RWG]

Bloomberg is now in third nationally...

 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3655

 

As a political science experiment, Bloomberg is sort of an interesting case study: how far can money alone carry a candidate who has absolutely no charisma, gets in at the last minute, and has no argument to be president other than that he's rich?

 

I think he got in to increase his name recognition so that, in the event of a Sanders or Warren nomination, he could run a third-party campaign to split the vote in favour of Trump. That's just a guess though.

Edited February 11, 2020 by RWG

[psterina]

 

Not a supporter, of either of these 2 but …..  

 

 

[mercfan3]

Biden being an idiot again.

 

If Mayor Pete wins on New Hampshire, that kills the Sanders campaign. Biden’s stiffest competition. 

[TeamAudra]

4 hours ago, mercfan3 said:

Biden being an idiot again.

 

If Mayor Pete wins on New Hampshire, that kills the Sanders campaign. Biden’s stiffest competition. 

I assume you still think Biden is the one to beat? That may be the case, but the polling is very problematic. 
 

 

 

[TeamAudra]

Wow, Bloomberg. This is pretty bad! And it’s not something he said when he was 22 years old. 5 years ago! I’d like to think most liberals will disqualify him for these comments.