The American Politics Thread!

[TeamAudra]

11 minutes ago, mercfan3 said:

They're also being delivered in segments. Which means it'll be pretty easy for everyone to just google the speaker they want to listen to. 

Yeah, I’m sure everyone is doing that...

 

They sure are pushing Kamala hard. It’s obvious they know Biden is a dud. 

[mercfan3]

12 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

Yeah, I’m sure everyone is doing that...

 

They sure are pushing Kamala hard. It’s obvious they know Biden is a dud. 

 

Everyone who was interested. 

 

Personally, I'm not watching it. And I watched both conventions in 2016. I'm just looking up speeches I'm interested in. They'll be all over facebook tomorrow..etc..that's how people watch things now. 

 

I would push Kamala hard. She's an accomplished, photogenic, social media savy, and charismatic person. And Joe seems like a nice guy, but..you know.. She's injected energy in this campaign. Biden not only made a historical nomination, but he also chose the face of the new generation of Democratic leaders. So, if Democrats are lucky, Kamala will end up a media darling..I expect the hate filled propaganda machines to start..

 

One of the big problems that Republicans have though, is what kind of attack will stick on Kamala. For Hillary, Trump just repeated the brocialist messaging to his base. What did the Bros say about Kamala...."She's a cop." That's not exactly an attack that'll work with his base. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by mercfan3

[Guest]

The speeches last night were pretty great, definitely an improvement from the first couple days. Donald was barely mentioned at all, except by Obama and even then, he wasn't rude. 

[sneaky]

11 hours ago, mercfan3 said:

 

They don't vote anyway. 

 

And a majority of time, I agree with you (although - there shouldn't be that barrier). But this time - given the past four years, I think more people will stay in line. I also think the historic nature of the VP pick will help encourage that too. 

Who "doesnt vote anyway?" I would try to expand my voter base rather than be so territorial about it. The only people that love the Democratic party nowadays are six figure earners in metro areas.  And to a lesser extent African Americans-- though that support is waning too. Millionaires want to keep their money and will buy in large vote Trump. People making under 100k only are registered with the Democratic party because state law mandates it to be a part of the primary. I dont think its a very good bet to only cater towards the upper middle class metro dwellers. They definitely make up a smaller voter base than Evangelical Christians. Doesnt seem to be a smart strategy

[Guest]

Just now, sneaky said:

Who "doesnt vote anyway?" I would try to expand my voter base rather than be so territorial about it. The only people that love the Democratic party nowadays are six figure earners in metro areas.  And to a lesser extent African Americans-- though that support is waning too. Millionaires want to keep their money and will buy in large vote Trump. People making under 100k only are registered with the Democratic party because state law mandates it to be a part of the primary. I dont think its a very good bet to only cater towards the upper middle class metro dwellers. They definitely make up a smaller voter base than Evangelical Christians. Doesnt seem to be a smart strategy

This is perhaps a little off topic, but some folks (on both sides of the spectrum for sure) act as if they know it all and will talk down to you or worse yet, insult you. That's not going to win you over to their side. I'd much rather have the conversation if I disagreed with someone on an issue if they're open to it. Many folks won't be persuadable, but no political party should lay claim to someone's vote without having to work for it. My views don't fit in a neat box, and I'd imagine many can say the same. 

[sneaky]

3 minutes ago, Drew said:

This is perhaps a little off topic, but some folks (on both sides of the spectrum for sure) act as if they know it all and will talk down to you or worse yet, insult you. That's not going to win you over to their side. I'd much rather have the conversation if I disagreed with someone on an issue if they're open to it. Many folks won't be persuadable, but no political party should lay claim to someone's vote without having to work for it. My views don't fit in a neat box, and I'd imagine many can say the same. 

I agree but my point is the above demographic I mentioned equates to maybe 20% of the population. Christians are still 70% of the population and close to half of those are Evangelical Christians or traditional Catholics. It seems like the Republicans have a larger coalition to cater to. That's why its frustrating with the attitude of the Democrats the past few years as they only cater to the narrow slice. They dont care about the working class at all by their actions and rhetoric. They did nothing to reach out to Hispanics which are the largest minority group in this country and a large part of the culture of my state. They pretend to care about black voters yet elected Biden and a VP who used her power to keep innocent black people in jail and threatened to jail parents for truant children.

[TeamAudra]

Lots of intra-party dissension in the Democrat Party. They only thing they can agree on is they all hate Trump. We’ll see if that’s enough. 
 

Democrats will need to keep things locked down for as long as possible, because once things completely open back up, the economy will take off like a rocket. Like I said, people with full employment have lots of extra cash,, and Americans aren’t very good savers,. The stock market knows this too, considering the S&P 500 is back to pre-pandemic levels. Of course, whoever is President at the time will take full credit for the rapid recovery. 

[psterina]

Progressive democrats, are certainly not on board with Biden/Harris (including myself). I will be bringing in footage of those weighing in (because MSM, certainly is not covering any progressive views), starting with Jimmy Dore, and all those commenting on this video, showing WHY, they are not on board

 

 

 

[Guest]

I'm looking forward to Mayor Pete tonight and of course, hearing from Joe. 

[sneaky]

Tom Perez and the other DNC leaders are so fake. They really need better fake smiles 

[sneaky]

8 hours ago, psterina said:

Progressive democrats, are certainly not on board with Biden/Harris (including myself). I will be bringing in footage of those weighing in (because MSM, certainly is not covering any progressive views), starting with Jimmy Dore, and all those commenting on this video, showing WHY, they are not on board

 

 

 

I love Jimmy Dore. I wish he would criticize conservatives more but dude is sharp and knows whats going on.

[psterina]

On 8/13/2020 at 7:22 PM, mercfan3 said:

Kamala Harris got a 25 billion settlement for people in her state during the housing crisis. 

 

It would have been a waste of state resources to go after one of them personally, for criminal conduct. It's almost impossible to win those cases, as courts are super reluctant to break the corporate veil. 

 

Here is an actual account of Harris' record as a prosecutor. I've refuted Tulsibot's account enough times. Facts matter. Context matters.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/

 

On another note..shockingly, Trump is dipping his toes into birtherism for Kamala. Took him a whole day to make a racist attack.

 

That being said, with his tendency to project, I'm actually starting to question if he was really born here..

 

LOL. Yu can refute, all you want to. But truth, is still truth. You bring a story from USA Today, and I'll bring the story, from the man she left on death row, refusing to show critical evidence, that she was holding on to (until a judge made her), in order to set him free. But hold on ... the story of what she did, is actually even worse, than what Tulsi told us. And, here it is

 

 

[sneaky]

I've disliked Biden since his " I have no empathy for young people" moment. But I admit his speech was very good and partially believable. Question is can he bring that coherncy day in and day out

[Guest]

It was a fantastic speech and I pretty much echo everything Chris Wallace of Fox News said afterward. President Trump has to run against the candidate now and not the caricature he's attempted to create. Then something about the moment afterward where Biden and Harris were outside with their spouses amidst the public in their cars and the fireworks happened made me emotional. It's honestly been such a strange, horrible year overall for so many and you couldn't help but get the feeling this guy has had a legislative career for the last almost half century and finally realized what he had been working towards. 

 

[Smoochy]

5 hours ago, sneaky said:

I've disliked Biden since his " I have no empathy for young people" moment. But I admit his speech was very good and partially believable. Question is can he bring that coherncy day in and day out

Joe definitely has a likeability quality to him. Not sure what it is, but I definitively dislike him less than I do most other corporate/establishment Democrats.

[mercfan3]

Joe reads as a decent empathetic person. 

 

After four years of Donald, I think that is appealing to a lot of people. 

 

Joe is also a known quality. I don't love everything Joe Biden has done in his political career. (and to be fair, no one is perfect. With a politician, generally you're just looking for the good to outweigh the bad). I'm guessing I'm going to disagree with some of the details throughout his presidency if he wins. And I'm guessing - a lot of people feel that way. 

 

However, the details and policies I, and many other people, may disagree with will likely be reasonable. And probably be a little boring. 

 

Again, after 4 years of Donald - that's appealing. And again, I think it's appealing to a lot of people on both sides of the aisle. Which is why you see quite a few high status Republicans supporting Joe. 

[RWG]

 

12 hours ago, sneaky said:

I've disliked Biden since his " I have no empathy for young people" moment. But I admit his speech was very good and partially believable. Question is can he bring that coherncy day in and day out

 

I don't like Biden or think he's mentally fit to be president, but I'll admit his handlers have done a good job of curating him in a way that makes him seem sincere and somewhat competent.

 

(To be clear, if I were a voter given these choices, I'd vote for Biden and it wouldn't be a hard decision.)

 

7 hours ago, Drew said:

It was a fantastic speech and I pretty much echo everything Chris Wallace of Fox News said afterward. President Trump has to run against the candidate now and not the caricature he's attempted to create. Then something about the moment afterward where Biden and Harris were outside with their spouses amidst the public in their cars and the fireworks happened made me emotional. It's honestly been such a strange, horrible year overall for so many and you couldn't help but get the feeling this guy has had a legislative career for the last almost half century and finally realized what he had been working towards. 

 

 

Since I think you might live in Massachusetts, are you voting in the Markey/Kennedy senate primary?

[TeamAudra]

On 6/28/2020 at 2:20 PM, TeamAudra said:

Here’s something I didn’t know about Joe, and I’ll bet you didn’t either. 
 

 

No, that wasn’t a brain freeze, he really did fight against integration. 
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626

I’m amazed at the ability of liberals to look the other way and ignore stuff like this. I posted this about a month ago, and not one of you commented on it. Pathetic! Just keep pretending it never happened. 
 

Full disclosure: I’ll either go third party or write someone in. 

[sneaky]

13 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

I’m amazed at the ability of liberals to look the other way and ignore stuff like this. I posted this about a month ago, and not one of you commented on it. Pathetic! Just keep pretending it never happened. 
 

Full disclosure: I’ll either go third party or write someone in. 

Biden's racial faux paus  and past with civil rights have been discussed quite a bit in this thread. Only so much can be said on it

[mercfan3]

4 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

I’m amazed at the ability of liberals to look the other way and ignore stuff like this. I posted this about a month ago, and not one of you commented on it. Pathetic! Just keep pretending it never happened. 
 

Full disclosure: I’ll either go third party or write someone in. 

I did comment about it. And this whole situation was what Kamala essentially came at him for in the debates. 
 

But again, if part of the criteria in your voting is “who is the least racist” despite voting and saying this..it’s still Biden.  That’s not the choice I wanted to make, but..it’s what we have.

 

Again, I’m not going to let Joe Biden distract me from voting for Joe Biden.

 

and funny enough..despite being one of the worst in policy when it comes to race issues, if Biden is to win..history will remember him as the Vice President to the first Black President, and the person who chose a black woman for the executive branch. He’ll be remembered well for his anti-racism. Pretty interesting irony. 

 

if voting that way makes you feel better TeamAudra..but you aren’t really having a real say, and you know it.

 

[TeamAudra]

21 minutes ago, mercfan3 said:

I did comment about it. And this whole situation was what Kamala essentially came at him for in the debates. 
 

But again, if part of the criteria in your voting is “who is the least racist” despite voting and saying this..it’s still Biden.  That’s not the choice I wanted to make, but..it’s what we have.

 

Again, I’m not going to let Joe Biden distract me from voting for Joe Biden.

 

and funny enough..despite being one of the worst in policy when it comes to race issues, if Biden is to win..history will remember him as the Vice President to the first Black President, and the person who chose a black woman for the executive branch. He’ll be remembered well for his anti-racism. Pretty interesting irony. 

 

if voting that way makes you feel better TeamAudra..but you aren’t really having a real say, and you know it.

 

I like where I’m at on this. Neither of us have a “real say” in the outcome because of the states we live in. I didn’t vote for the clown in 2016, and enjoy watching his supporters squirm, trying to defend indefensible shit he says. That even happened here frequently for the first year or two. As for Biden, I don’t agree with him on pretty much anything, so he’s a definite nope. I hope he loses, but I can’t vote for the Trump. 

[psterina]

OMG !! I just LOVE JIMMY DORE !!!!!!   No holding back here, bringing major bombs ....  and with humor, while he's at it!

 

 

 

[Jonathan]

 

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by Jonathan

[TeamAudra]

I wish I could vote for her.

 

 

[Guest]

On 8/21/2020 at 7:31 PM, RWG said:

Since I think you might live in Massachusetts, are you voting in the Markey/Kennedy senate primary?

I do and I am.  I don't really have a prediction on how it's going to go either. I think it'll be close and could still go either way.