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6 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

How embarrassing for the party. They had years to plan these caucuses and can’t even report results? Something seems fishy to me. Whoever won got screwed. 

It is. It may be conspiratorial but do we believe the org. that pre screened questions for Hillary and employed super delegates to change a result they did not like in WV are playing clean this time?

 

I honestly think I'm going to switch to being an independent after my state's primary in March. Both main parties are corrupt to the core.

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I can see the Trump supporters are as delusional as Trump here. Posting a bunch of fake conspiracy theories is pretty pathetic, but Trump knew he could manipulate his voters into this charade.  

I find it hilarious how Trumpsters (and Republicans in general) are just so used to cheating and bullying their way through life, that they simply can't fathom that 75 million Americans voted against

Me waiting for this groundbreaking evidence that has been posted about in this thread for well over a month that's going to win a court case and change everything.

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1 hour ago, sneaky said:

It is. It may be conspiratorial but do we believe the org. that pre screened questions for Hillary and employed super delegates to change a result they did not like in WV are playing clean this time?

 

I honestly think I'm going to switch to being an independent after my state's primary in March. Both main parties are corrupt to the core.


You know I think Bernie is a loon, but I would be furious if I was a supporter of his. It’s either corruption, incompetence, or a combination of the two. None of those are acceptable. 

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Disgraceful:

 

- Pete declaring victory before any results are out.

- Biden encouraging people to distrust the results when they come out.

 

Trump is right to make fun of the Dems for this. The Iowa caucuses are an anti-democratic disgrace. There's no way this Mickey Mouse state should be going first at all.

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Trump and the GOP are about to hammer the Dems hard over this and they're absolutely justified in doing so. What an embarrassing display of incompetence from the Democratic party.

 

The only positive of this is that I will most likely be pretty happy with the results as it seems (per some internally released counts by Mayor Pete and Bernie's campaign) that Bernie will most likely come away the winner in Iowa, but is it really a win if he is to come out ahead with this fiasco accompanying it? Hopefully the latest New Hampshire polls are accurate and he dominates that state and can gain momentum that way.

 

Either way, this was an absolute trainwreck and everyone involved should be insanely embarrassed.

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5 minutes ago, QueenKalie said:

I guess Pete wasn't wrong when he declared himself the winner last night. :haha:

 

If you're a viable candidate, you will have captains at all the precincts who will be able to report back the results to their respective campaign - this is exactly why you have scrutineer during election day as the scrutineer can call the results to the HQ where they will know quickly if their candidates lost before it's on TV or social media. 

Let's be real, most of them knew where they stood due to their captains reporting results back to them. 

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56 minutes ago, QueenKalie said:

I guess Pete wasn't wrong when he declared himself the winner last night. :haha:


Bernie could still take it. It will be close. 
 

I don’t think it matters much who wins Iowa at this point. This mess is the best thing that could have happened for Biden. 

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Sure, just release a random segment of the results, so you can have a preferred heralded winner for now, and release the rest of them when it no longer matters who actually won. Everything seems on the level.

 

In fairness though, despite all the shadiness, the anti-democratic slant of the caucus seems kind of baked in to the system.

 

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I think Pelosi ripping up the speech was probably one of the highlights for sure. There was so much nonsense and it was such a waste of time. 
 

I wish the Senate would make things right tomorrow, but I know they won’t. 

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1 hour ago, TeamAudra said:
Sanders with a 3400+ popular vote lead, but losing the delegates. After watching this, I still don’t understand how it works. 
 

 

 

This video sort of explains how this is happening (the explanation starts around the 5:55 mark)

 

It's ass backwards, in my opinion, but that seems to be how it works (except I don't believe the Iowa Dems ever explained how the different areas were weighted for delegates)

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17 minutes ago, Smoochy said:

 

This video sort of explains how this is happening (the explanation starts around the 5:55 mark)

 

It's ass backwards, in my opinion, but that seems to be how it works (except I don't believe the Iowa Dems ever explained how the different areas were weighted for delegates)


Got it. 2.44 = 1.53 = 2

 

Interesting math. Bernie got hosed. 

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19 minutes ago, sneaky said:

So I'm confused by the primaries in general.

 

Is Iowa winner take all or proportional allocation? Are the other states all winner take all a la electoral college? Where do we find these answers?😧

I'm a little confused as well. From my understanding (from everything I'm seeing on the Caucus reveal sites, Twitter, and etc...) Bernie and Pete will almost come away in a tie as far as delegates received (give or take a couple). It appears Pete may win the SDE count, but it seems like Bernie will win the popular vote. Either way, both of them could technically be classified as "winners" but, I believe with how they have it set up, Pete will most likely be the actual "winner" (though with how ridiculous this whole thing has been, I don't know if that's a good thing or not). I've also been seeing a ton of reports of the caucus results being updated by the Iowa Democrats that aren't matching up with the reports from the volunteers who reported the numbers, so that's fun.

 

As far as other states go, I believe Nevada will have a caucus, but the rest should be primaries and I believe in primaries, it goes by popular vote and not SDEs (could be mistaken here). I don't know exactly how the delegates work in states like that. I assume it goes by percentage of total votes compared to how many votes you receive is how they determine how many delegates you get, but to be honest, the whole thing just makes my head hurt and I just read the summed up information from people who know what they're talking about.

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