The American Politics Thread!

[TeamAudra]

Yikes. 
 

 

[TeamAudra]

Potential RICO charges in Georgia is a big problem for Trump. I think this could be the trickiest case of all. 
 

Also, he wouldn’t even be able to pardon himself if he won the Presidency, since this is a state case, and the Governor of Georgia does not have pardon power. 

 

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2. Since Trump would face state charges in Georgia, the sitting president won't have the ability to pardon him, Kreis said.

• In Georgia, the power to pardon is vested under the state constitution to a Board of Pardons and Paroles, which requires that a sentence be completed at least five years prior to applying for a pardon.

• "If he were to win the presidency or if a Republican sympathetic to him were to win ... the president of the United States can't pardon or can't dismiss," Kreis said. "That puts it in a very different light from the federal cases.”

 

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https://www.axios.com/2023/08/14/trump-georgia-rico-charges-fani-willis

[Jonathan]

My favorite TV moment of all time. Hell it's my favorite Karma moment of all time! I love love love it!

 

 

Edited August 15 by Jonathan

[TeamAudra]

Trump and 18 others indicted in Georgia. There are also 30 unindicted co-conspirators. Many will likely sing to stay out of prison. Not looking good for Trump. I think this is a bigger problem than all of his other cases combined, and there is no possibility of a presidential pardon, since it’s a state case, and the Governor of Georgia has no pardon power. 

Full text of indictment. 

 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23909559-trump-georgia-indictment

[season1]

 

Another great interview from Tucker Carlson. He wouldn't have been able to release an interview like this if he is still with Fox News.

 

 

 

Col. MacGregor talked about Ukraine, the state of the US military and the Russian military (and his opinion on how a direct war would turn out), illegal immigration, the cost of war, the politicians from both sides and who controls them, and many other topics of interest.

 

 

EDIT:

Rumble Link

 

YouTube Link

 

 

Edited August 23 by season1

[Jonathan]

The face of pure evil. One day this will be in the textbooks next to pictures of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mucilini, Hussein, etc. 

[season1]

Trump is back on Twitter/X and tweeted his own mugshot -- 50mil+ views in less than 4 hours:

 

 

 

His interview with Tucker last night has more than 250mil views (75 million during the livestream):

 

 

 

Edited August 25 by season1

[TeamAudra]

Those aren’t really “views,” as in number of people who actually watched the interview. That’s the number of times the tweet was seen. Many reported seeing it in their feed multiple times. There’s no way 250M people watched it. Calculate the view/like ratio, and then do the same for some other videos on Twitter, and I think that will be clear. 
 

I did watch it, though. I figured there might be a few tough questions, but Tucker just let him ramble on. It was a complete waste of time. 
 

As for the mugshot tweet, I totally believe 50M have seen it. 

Edited August 25 by TeamAudra

[TeamAudra]

Here’s an article about “views” on Twitter. 
 

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-debate-viewership-blew-tuckers-trump-interview-out-of-the-water/

Edited August 25 by TeamAudra

[season1]

^ I knew from watching social media metrics for The Voice that views <> people. People can watch a video multiple times and it would count as multiple views. As to likes, there are many people who are not on Twitter thus can't like, RT or comment.

 

I don't have Twitter but I was able to watch the Twitter video. I also watched in piecemeal (a couple minutes here and there in between chores, work and surfing) so I probably contributed a dozen "views"

 

I go to nitter to view the tweets from an account. I just noticed that nitter has the "play" numbers for the interview and it's currently at 20.7mil +

The video has also been reposted by other people on sites like YouTube (until they got taken down), Rumble, Gab.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to Trump's mugshot tweet, Twitter has it at 226mil+ "views". Below are the numbers shown on nitter.

 

 

The mugshot tweet has more engagement than the interview -- 1.5mil vs 814k likes, 343k vs 204k RTs, 230k vs 62k replies. I would imagine a lot of liberals in the replies; many Trump supporters are not on Twitter.

 

 

Elon seems to like the Tucker interview and Trump's first tweet back. 

 

Edited August 26 by season1

[TeamAudra]

“Views” are basically impressions now. If you scroll past it in your feed, it counts as a view. Elon actually shared the video with his 154M followers, and a video like that is obviously going to get retweeted a lot. I saw it in my feed many times that night, and each time, it probably counted as a “view,” plus the 3-4 times I went back to it when I was watching it, because I wasn’t able to finish it all at once. 
 

That article I linked claims the Fox debate has 46.8 billion impressions using the same metric. I don’t know how they came up with that, and don’t really care. We’ve already probably spent too much time talking about it. 
 

What I’ve seen pointed out many times  is that the Tucker interview hasn’t generated much discussion on Twitter, other than how many “views” the tweet has generated. The number of times the tweet has been seen does prove how powerful Twitter can be as a tool to get information out to the masses (the ones who use Twitter, at least) quickly. That’s about all I have to say about it. 

[Hamza Tufail]

I know you like DeSantis that's why I'm asking this to you @TeamAudra. Do you think he still has a chance against Trump? Or is it over for him (or Nikki)?

[TeamAudra]

32 minutes ago, Hamza Tufail said:

I know you like DeSantis that's why I'm asking this to you @TeamAudra. Do you think he still has a chance against Trump? Or is it over for him (or Nikki)?

Yeah…I think he can win Iowa, and if he does, it’s a new ball game. I’m not suggesting it will be easy. I’m not a fan of Nikki. Trump is the best thing that ever happened to Democrats. He’s their get out the vote program. 

Edited November 11 by TeamAudra

[Hamza Tufail]

41 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

Yeah…I think he can win Iowa, and if he does, it’s a new ball game. I’m not suggesting it will be easy. I’m not a fan of Nikki. Trump is the best thing that ever happened to Democrats. He’s their get out the vote program. 

I've heard (Maybe it's not true) that Dems would really like if Trump is the candidate, and that DeSantis is their real threat. The last 5 years haven't been great for Rep (esp for Trump-endorsed candidates), but Ron still won in a landslide in 2022, even in the most liberal counties in FL. 

 

I've seen people in YT comments accuse him of being  Xenophobic, but in reality, he got A LOT of Latino votes. I wonder why so many people outside of FL think he has destroyed his state, or he's just as dangerous as Trump, or use words like racist, xenophobic, and homophobic?

 

Btw, I don't know what TikTok and journalists are seeing. Acc to TikTok folks, Vivek was the winner in all three debates, and according to a lot of journalists, it's Nikki. I thought Ron was easily the best. It seems that Ramaswamy just wants to have some heated moments that can go viral on TikTok. (He actually has done a pretty good job at it)

[TeamAudra]

7 minutes ago, Hamza Tufail said:

I've heard (Maybe it's not true) that Dems would really like if Trump is the candidate, and that DeSantis is their real threat. The last 5 years haven't been great for Rep (esp for Trump-endorsed candidates), but Ron still won in a landslide in 2022, even in the most liberal counties in FL. 

 

I've seen people in YT comments accuse him of being  Xenophobic, but in reality, he got A LOT of Latino votes. I wonder why so many people outside of FL think he has destroyed his state, or he's just as dangerous as Trump, or use words like racist, xenophobic, and homophobic?

 

Btw, I don't know what TikTok and journalists are seeing. Acc to TikTok folks, Vivek was the winner in all three debates, and according to a lot of journalists, it's Nikki. I thought Ron was easily the best. It seems that Ramaswamy just wants to have some heated moments that can go viral on TikTok. (He actually has done a pretty good job at it)

First paragraph: Pretty much. 
 

Second paragraph: That’s just politics, and straight out of the Democrat playbook. Yes, he won in a landslide in counties that hadn’t voted Republican in a long time, and easily carried the Latino vote. Most Latinos in Florida are Cuban or Venezuelan, and they tend to be more conservative leaning, but Democrats had made strides with those voters in recent years. 
 

Vivek is a joke. Don’t take anything he says seriously. LOL
 

 

Edited November 11 by TeamAudra

[Hamza Tufail]

5 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

First paragraph: Pretty much. 
 

Second paragraph: That’s just politics, and straight out of the Democrat playbook. Yes, he won in a landslide in counties that hadn’t voted Republican in a long time, and easily carried the Latino vote. Most Latinos in Florida are Cuban or Venezuelan, and they tend to be more conservative leaning, but Democrats had made strides with those voters in recent years. 
 

Vivek is a joke. Don’t take anything he says seriously. LOL
 

 

You don't use TikTok, so maybe you don't know this... but people there are loving him. They're saying he's Trump 2.0 who doesn't fear the media and establishment.

Main voters aren't buying this, but the folks on YT and TikTok are going totally bonkers over this. I don't believe a thing he says because he's changed his stance so many times already.

[TeamAudra]

1 minute ago, Hamza Tufail said:

You don't use TikTok, so maybe you don't know this... but people there are loving him. They're saying he's Trump 2.0 who doesn't fear the media and establishment.

Main voters aren't buying this, but the folks on YT and TikTok are going totally bonkers over this. I don't believe a thing he says because he's changed his stance so many times already.

He has an online presence, but the rank and file Republican primary voters won’t go for his line of B.S. People who support him online are probably less likely to show up. 

[TeamAudra]

As far as I’m concerned, this is disqualifying. I’d consider voting for Biden over her. 
 

She also said it in this interview. 
 

 

Edited November 15 by TeamAudra

[Hamza Tufail]

What I liked most was that a lot of times he said, "We've done this in Florida." This just goes to show that, unlike the majority of politicians, he gets things done. He's not a talker, he's a doer.

 

 

 

[TeamAudra]

11 hours ago, Hamza Tufail said:

What I liked most was that a lot of times he said, "We've done this in Florida." This just goes to show that, unlike the majority of politicians, he gets things done. He's not a talker, he's a doer.

 

 

 

There is literally no topic he can’t go several layers deep on, and tie it to some success he’s had in Florida. It’s also almost impossible to get a “gotcha” moment with him. He’s always thinking several steps ahead of the interviewer.  

[Hamza Tufail]

This is 1000x better than the debates they have on national TV. Why can't those debates be like this? I watched the full 1 hour and 47 minutes, and didn't skip a single time.

 

 

[TeamAudra]

1 hour ago, Hamza Tufail said:

This is 1000x better than the debates they have on national TV. Why can't those debates be like this? I watched the full 1 hour and 47 minutes, and didn't skip a single time.

 

 

Wow, you’re not even from this country, and you did more that most primary voters will do by watching that.  
 

I’ve only seen clips of it on Twitter, but I’ll probably watch it at some point soon. 
 

I agree with you on the debates. They suck. One minute is not enough time to give a proper answer, and it’s all about taking pot shots at their opponents, knowing they won’t have an adequate opportunity to respond.

Edited November 18 by TeamAudra

[Hamza Tufail]

21 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:

Wow, you’re not even from this country, and you did more that most primary voters will do by watching that.  
 

 

Tbh, I wasn't interested at all an year ago. I can't even watch 5 mins of Trump because it's just name calling and bashing others. Biden is a snoozefest most of the times.

 

But DeSantis is different. It's a rarity to see a politician actually doing every single thing that he promised. None of the politicians in my country do that, and I don't know a single politician in the world who does that either. That's the reason I like him, and watch all his interviews / debates.

[TeamAudra]

1 hour ago, Hamza Tufail said:

Tbh, I wasn't interested at all an year ago. I can't even watch 5 mins of Trump because it's just name calling and bashing others. Biden is a snoozefest most of the times.

 

But DeSantis is different. It's a rarity to see a politician actually doing every single thing that he promised. None of the politicians in my country do that, and I don't know a single politician in the world who does that either. That's the reason I like him, and watch all his interviews / debates.

Say it louder, for those in the back! 

[Hamza Tufail]

 

 

Border security is a very important issue. Esp considering that there's been tons of cases all around the world recently, now people are showing even more concern about borders, not just in us, but all around Europe as well. Iowans see that, and they believe DeSantis is the right person to get the job done. 

 

And now that Kim Reynolds and Bob Vander Plaats (Evangelical leader) both have endorsed Desantis, I think he has a great shot. All the candidates that Bob has endorsed in the last ended up winning Iowa (though they didn't won the primaries or general elections). So I think this gives Desantis a big boost.

 

But I don't think he's gonna do well in others states. He may win FL or a few others, but I can't see him dethroning the alpha male, the Maga... Mr. Trump. Ron is so much behind Trump in the nationwide polls.