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7 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

This seems crazy to me. Thoughts?

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/

 

I didn’t think anything could get me to vote for Trump, but Bernie as the Dem nominee would do it. 

I think Biden is still the favorite but Bernie definitely has a chance.

 

I know you strongly disagree with the policies but he is probably the only one who can possibly beat Trump. There are a lot of hurting people out there who dont want to go back to the way things were like Biden says. We're supposedly the "greatest country on earth" yet 14 percent of people live in poverty, people have to make go fund me pages to save their lives, In so many measures of quality of life we are only in the middle--from life expectancy, to education, to overall hapiness

 

I think a fair amount of people that voted for Trump last time due to his faux populist, working people agenda will vote for Bernie now that they know Trump is a fraud.

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3 hours ago, sneaky said:

I think Biden is still the favorite but Bernie definitely has a chance.

 

I know you strongly disagree with the policies but he is probably the only one who can possibly beat Trump. There are a lot of hurting people out there who dont want to go back to the way things were like Biden says. We're supposedly the "greatest country on earth" yet 14 percent of people live in poverty, people have to make go fund me pages to save their lives, In so many measures of quality of life we are only in the middle--from life expectancy, to education, to overall hapiness

 

I think a fair amount of people that voted for Trump last time due to his faux populist, working people agenda will vote for Bernie now that they know Trump is a fraud.


Those are standard talking points that Democrats have been using since the beginning of time. Obama said those things. Did he fix it?

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9 hours ago, TeamAudra said:


Those are standard talking points that Democrats have been using since the beginning of time. Obama said those things. Did he fix it?

I dont recall how Obama ran in 2008 cause I was just a teen but he governed more like a centrist. Sanders seems to use a different rhetoric and has different policies than normal, Democrats. I feel he is much closer to a modern day FDR than a Clinton or Obama figure.

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45 minutes ago, sneaky said:

I dont recall how Obama ran in 2008 cause I was just a teen but he governed more like a centrist. Sanders seems to use a different rhetoric and has different policies than normal, Democrats. I feel he is much closer to a modern day FDR than a Clinton or Obama figure.


I don’t think it’s likely that we’ll ever find middle ground, so I think I’ll pass on this. 😉

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7 hours ago, ButterflyEffect said:

I honestly think the 2020 election is a foregone conclusion whether its Bernie or Biden on the ticket. I'd be preparing for four more years of misery under Trump if I were you guys.

I dont think that's neccesarily true. From polls I've seen Biden has a slight edge in FL. If Trump loses FL that is 30 electoral votes and makes a loss very likely.

 

Bernie also has the potential to destroy Trump in states like Wisconsin and Michigan

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On 2/1/2020 at 10:06 AM, ButterflyEffect said:

I honestly think the 2020 election is a foregone conclusion whether its Bernie or Biden on the ticket. I'd be preparing for four more years of misery under Trump if I were you guys.

 

I agree with you.  And there's lots of reasons why I think Trump will win - not necessarily because of what he stands for. 

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On 2/1/2020 at 6:00 PM, sneaky said:

I dont think that's neccesarily true. From polls I've seen Biden has a slight edge in FL. If Trump loses FL that is 30 electoral votes and makes a loss very likely.

 

Bernie also has the potential to destroy Trump in states like Wisconsin and Michigan

 

We are in 2020 and we are still trusting the polls? Because that worked out so well in 2016. 

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41 minutes ago, *Chris said:

 

We are in 2020 and we are still trusting the polls? Because that worked out so well in 2016. 

The polls weren't per say wrong. Hillary did get more votes just not where she needed them.

 

Bernie would play off way better in the midwest than Hillary did and Trump has pissed off a lot of people in the rust belt.

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8 minutes ago, sneaky said:

The polls weren't per say wrong. Hillary did get more votes just not where she needed them.

 

Bernie would play off way better in the midwest than Hillary did and Trump has pissed off a lot of people in the rust belt.

 

Meh. As someone who has been active in politics aka door knock on many doors, I don't care for the polls. Plus polling is even harder in this era when most people don't have landline anymore. 

Polls and celebrity endorsements does not tell you who is supporting you, and who you should target when it's time for GOTV. 

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2 hours ago, *Chris said:

 

We are in 2020 and we are still trusting the polls? Because that worked out so well in 2016. 

I came in here to say precisely this. Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Bernie does, but even if he won Michigan and Pennsylvania back, there's a chance he could lose states like Virginia that Hilary won due to a lot of college-educated Democratic voters. 

 

Plus, it's hard to unseat a sitting president with a strong economy, and the only reason Bernie is polling so well is because Trump hasn't hit him hard yet. He will paint him as a confused old man with unrealistic socialist ideas and he will sink. 

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9 minutes ago, ~Tom~ said:

I came in here to say precisely this. Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Bernie does, but even if he won Michigan and Pennsylvania back, there's a chance he could lose states like Virginia that Hilary won due to a lot of college-educated Democratic voters. 

 

Plus, it's hard to unseat a sitting president with a strong economy, and the only reason Bernie is polling so well is because Trump hasn't hit him hard yet. He will paint him as a confused old man with unrealistic socialist ideas and he will sink. 

All of this.

Plus the inner fighting within the DNC / Democrat won't help whoever the nominee is. When there is inner fighting within a party, your opponent tends to win. 

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On 1/31/2020 at 10:31 AM, TeamAudra said:


Those are standard talking points that Democrats have been using since the beginning of time. Obama said those things. Did he fix it?

 

Obama absolutely fixed the economy.

 

He didn't have a populist message promising ponies though. (Granted, his message was more emotional than policy driven. But Obama ended up being a very pragmatic President.)

 

Regardless, that message that white "liberals" like to spread is false. Study after study showed that it was racial anxiety. Of course, Bernie has no problem pushing similar narratives there with Trump. (Funny how there is still no "n word" video on Donald, yet Bernie..)

 

I think Bernie is likely to win tonight..but it doesn't matter. He convinced himself with his own conspiracy theories and failed to swing any Clinton voters (9% I think..) including a significant amount of people of color. He's going to get steamrolled in the south. 

 

Of course, it's a possibility that Democrats end up with a contested convention. Ridiculous considering the circumstances..and quite frankly, the fault of a couple of arrogant old men. 

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2 hours ago, mercfan3 said:

 

Obama absolutely fixed the economy.

 

He didn't have a populist message promising ponies though. (Granted, his message was more emotional than policy driven. But Obama ended up being a very pragmatic President.)

 

Regardless, that message that white "liberals" like to spread is false. Study after study showed that it was racial anxiety. Of course, Bernie has no problem pushing similar narratives there with Trump. (Funny how there is still no "n word" video on Donald, yet Bernie..)

 

I think Bernie is likely to win tonight..but it doesn't matter. He convinced himself with his own conspiracy theories and failed to swing any Clinton voters (9% I think..) including a significant amount of people of color. He's going to get steamrolled in the south. 

 

Of course, it's a possibility that Democrats end up with a contested convention. Ridiculous considering the circumstances..and quite frankly, the fault of a couple of arrogant old men. 

Funny enough it wasn't Bernie who attended Trump's wedding.

The two are friends and play for the same team. Hillary wanted to be president because she is numero uno but she would much rather Trump be elected than Bernie. As would a lot of Democrats to be honest.

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18 minutes ago, sneaky said:

Funny enough it wasn't Bernie who attended Trump's wedding.

The two are friends and play for the same team. Hillary wanted to be president because she is numero uno but she would much rather Trump be elected than Bernie. As would a lot of Democrats to be honest.


I think that’s probably true, which is a potential problem for Bernie’s electability, don’t you think? He’s way outside of the mainstream, which is exciting for his base, but terrifying for everyone else. Remember the thick oppo book on Bernie that we talked about a while back? That stuff hasn’t even come out yet. 

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