Jump to content

Voice General Discussion 2 🧵


Recommended Posts

4 minutes ago, TeamAudra said:


Like I said, I don’t care about Luke, and don’t like his music. However, I can’t support attacks on someone’s character, without context. That’s what Margo Price did. I also don’t mind pointing out hypocrisy, and I have haven’t seen any demands of Blake to take down the video of a song that references the flag. I’ll leave it at that. 

So now Margo Price is a hypocrite if she doesn't call out every instance in country music history of the confederate flag being not even shown, but referenced? Luke got called out because of his new song, which he specifically directed radio stations to introduce as not political.  It was for a very specific reason. 

 

County as a whole has a long history of not just allowing, but celebrating the confederate flag, and racist behavior. George Jones used to paint KKK on Charley Pride's car, and Willie Nelson called him supernigger. Yes it was a long time ago, but it's still illustrative of the obstacles Pride and other Black artists had to face, the country industry as a whole, and the characters of those men, even if (in Willie's case) he didn't mean it as a bad thing. Context helps us understand behavior, it doesn't excuse it, or mean we should ignore it. 

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 2.6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Voice season 21 virtual casting is open for Dec 10 & 11th, if you've ever wanted to try to get past multiple rounds of producers and evaluators only to be mocked by people in an internet forum 

Well it's because white people enslaved Black people, and then put up no N** allowed signs, and Black people didn't.    Really though, as a Jew I can make Jewish jokes that people who are Mu

Instagram Q&A with Adam Levine:  

Posted Images

6 minutes ago, seak05 said:

 

County as a whole has a long history of not just allowing, but celebrating the confederate flag, and racist behavior. George Jones used to paint KKK on Charley Pride's car, and Willie Nelson called him supernigger. 

Yeah, I heard about the George Jones story. That´s messed up.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Bk1234 said:

the shade is real GIF by VH1

 

I actually liked WTW in their IG stuff from before we got to see them on the show. I think my problem with them on the show is that their inexperience really shows. Jacy isn't matured enough, Mama is shaky, and Mia isn't amazing enough (yet, she has lots of potential) to carry the group as a soloist.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, FloorWax said:

 

I actually liked WTW in their IG stuff from before we got to see them on the show. I think my problem with them on the show is that their inexperience really shows. Jacy isn't matured enough, Mama is shaky, and Mia isn't amazing enough (yet, she has lots of potential) to carry the group as a soloist.


Much of it was nerves. And you’re right. The mom isn’t quite at the level

she needs to be. She was just filling in for the other sister. As for Mia, maybe she can be a soloist, but I’d need to hear her sing songs from start to finish, and show her range and dynamics. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Given the recent controversies, if you are interested in writers with a different perspective on Nashville music and the music industry, you might try the following - not meant to be an exhaustive list. They are all active on twitter and also offer a decent window into artists outside the Nashville mainstream. 


Ann Powers (NPR)
@annkpowers

 

Marissa Moss
@MarissaRMoss
https://www.marissarmoss.com/

 

Natalie Weiner
@natalieweiner

https://dontrocktheinbox.substack.com/p/issueone (with Marissa Moss)

 

Lorie Liebig
@lorieliebig
https://www.morethanacowgirl.com/


Seak05, it's great you posted the Chapel Hart song.  I just learned about them from an Ann Powers tweet this weekend. They have other really cool songs on youtube.

 

Edited by WastedinMemphis
Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, FloorWax said:

 

I actually liked WTW in their IG stuff from before we got to see them on the show. I think my problem with them on the show is that their inexperience really shows. Jacy isn't matured enough, Mama is shaky, and Mia isn't amazing enough (yet, she has lots of potential) to carry the group as a soloist.

Agreed. Their IG stuff was pretty good so I wasn´t surprised there when I heard they got 4 chairs. I was surprised when I heard the actual audition.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Misirlou said:

Blake tweeted about Jake Hoot´s new EP, I don´t think he´s ever done that for someone not on his team. He doesn´t even do that for his own team anymore lol.

I’m guessing kelly sent him a text 😂

  • Like 1
  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Morgan Wallen's airplay dropped 70% but his sales increased 339%, according to Billboard (although the numbers were small to begin with, so we're not talking that many sales). How soon before he appears on Fox News as a victim of cancel culture taking away his freedoms and persecuting him for being a white male?

  • Like 1
  • Haha 5
Link to post
Share on other sites

There's a lot of stuff unpacked in this article. Chris Willman talked to several Nashville execs including people on the radio side and other managers for this.

 

What’s Next for Morgan Wallen? The Country Music Industry Considers His Future… and Its Own | Variety

 

I'm just going to pull the sales, streaming and airplay portion since that was just talked about a couple posts up. The whole thing though is a good read.

 

Quote

On Wednesday, the day after the scandal broke via TMZ’s webcasting of the video in question, radio airplay for Wallen fell 80% across the nation, according to Country Aircheck. That was to be expected, with all the top chains, including Entercom and Cox, joining iHeartRadio and Cumulus in ordering him off their stations entirely, and many independent stations following suit. But besides calling in angrily to those stations to demand Wallen, fans voted with their pocketbooks by purchasing or re-purchasing his music. On the iTunes charts following the mass exodus of broadcasters, Wallen had all three of the top spots on the album sales chart (for an EP as well as his two full albums) and seven out of the top 10 songs. Results were nearly the same on Amazon Music’s sales chart.

 

Variety looked at stats provided by Alpha Data for the last few days of sales and streaming. On Wednesday, Wallen’s digital song sales increased from Tuesday’s by 327%. When it came to album sales, the jump was even more staggering: 1221%. The fan base, without a doubt, was making a statement.

What can be lost in looking at those seemingly staggering figures, though, was how tiny a slice of the pie sales are in today’s music market, versus streams, where it’s harder for the most dedicated part of an energized fan base to affect a change. That huge increase in album sales from Tuesday and Wednesday amounted to going from 609 copies sold the day before the scandal broke to 8,044 the day after — not a huge amount on the overall scale of tens of millions of people becoming interested in the story.

 

Wallen’s pace was much more consistent from day to day this week when it came to streams, according to information provided by Alpha Data. On Tuesday, he had 21,562,03 on-demand audio streams, which increased to 22,826,114 on Wednesday — a 5.86% increase from the day his scandal broke late in the evening to the following day. You could view that as an only modest increase… or you could see it as very much bucking the odds, since the streaming services were almost uniformly removing him from specialized playlists and prominent front-page spots, which pretty much guaranteed that those seeking Wallen’s music out were doing it very purposefully.

 

Taken in all, the data does suggest that Wallen, if he were to choose to take a defiant stance, probably could try to keep going and engage his fan base directly without the assistance of his label, whoever his next agent will be, or any support to speak of from the mass media or country establishment. That’s highly unlikely, of course. But as the days pass without any additional statement from Wallen beyond the initial, highly unsatisfying apology, there’s more wondering to be done about whether the star is resisting what are surely calls from those closest to him to announce an entry into rehab and a voluntary recess from his professional career.

 

 

And since Luke Combs was a topic earlier today, here's this part

Quote

How the country music industry addresses the scandal going forward is a separate question. But it will be addressed at the upcoming Country Radio Seminar, the biggest annual gathering of industry pros, which is happening virtually instead of at its usual Nashville Renaissance Hotel location Feb. 16-19. Although most of the program was set in stone and a few panels had even been pre-recorded before Wallen became a topic of national discussion and furor, at least one radio panel is being reconfigured to address how radio responded to the startling development.

 

Moreover, Maren Morris and Luke Combs. plan to address it in a joint interview they’re doing for Country Radio Seminar. Previously, they’d been slated to take on less provocative matters in their panel. Morris has been the more outspoken of the two stars — and has already made her feelings about Wallen letting country down public on her social media — but it was Combs who spoke up first to suggest they address a much bigger elephant in the room than their careers.

 

“We have been working with Luke and Maren to do a featured artist interview session,” says RJ Curtis, the executive director of Country Radio Broadcasters and the annual convention they host. “You’ve got these two different kind of artists, Luke steeped in mainstream country and Maren with one foot in pop, who’ve reached the top as the CMAs’ top male and female vocalists in the past year, and we were going to talk about, ‘How are you building your career?’ But this week Luke Combs woke up and saw that news and was very disturbed by it, and called Maren, who’s cutting an album, and together they said, ‘We want to change the topic of this conversation. We think this is more pressing’ —  not just for a segment of those 50 minutes but the whole thing. They renamed it ‘Accountability, Responsibility and What the Future of Country Music Looks Like.” They want to take it on. Luke may have strong feelings about things, but we haven’t really seen him express that as much in print, yet he instigated it.

 

“CRS is a good place to have that conversation,” continues Curtis. “In the past as an organization we’ve kind of skirted the heavy stuff, but last year we finally had an entire session on female airplay. We didn’t solve anything, but we brought it to the floor. Since then the racism in country music thing has been bubbling under. These two artists took control of this and said they want to talk about it. They are the male and female leaders in the format right now, and they don’t want to avoid it; they want to step right in. I applaud that.”

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

^
 

According to that article, WME dropped him too. That was a very interesting read. I tend to agree with the execs that the opportunity to come back will likely be there, as long as he handles it the right way. Celebs have done much worse things, and managed to stage a successful comeback. 
 

The discussion around whether the punishment fits the crime was particularly interesting to me, because I was thinking about that today. Many people are basically saying....”wait a minute, he said this to a white friend,” while many black people throw the word around all the time, including at each other, and they don’t get cancelled.” In no way am I suggesting what Wallen did should be excused, but there does appear to be a double standard that a lot of people are having a difficult time wrapping their head around, me

included. My expectation is that nobody uses the word. 

 

Anyway, this is probably too controversial for a general discussion thread for a reality show, so I’m just going to leave it at that. 

Edited by TeamAudra
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

The discussion around whether the punishment fits the crime was particularly interesting to me, because I was thinking about that today. Many people are basically saying....”wait a minute, he said this to a white friend,” while many black people throw the word around all the time, including at each other, and they don’t get cancelled.” In no way am I suggesting what Wallen did should be excused, but there does appear to be a double standard that a lot of people are having a difficult time wrapping their head around, me

included. My expectation is that nobody uses the word. 

 

Anyway, this is probably too controversial for a general discussion thread for a reality show, so I’m just going to leave it at that. 

white people, y'all... lmao

  • Haha 2
  • Confused 1
  • Sad 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

^
 

According to that article, WME dropped him too. That was a very interesting read. I tend to agree with the execs that the opportunity to come back will likely be there, as long as he handles it the right way. Celebs have done much worse things, and managed to stage a successful comeback. 
 

The discussion around whether the punishment fits the crime was particularly interesting to me, because I was thinking about that today. Many people are basically saying....”wait a minute, he said this to a white friend,” while many black people throw the word around all the time, including at each other, and they don’t get cancelled.” In no way am I suggesting what Wallen did should be excused, but there does appear to be a double standard that a lot of people are having a difficult time wrapping their head around, me

included. My expectation is that nobody uses the word. 

 

Anyway, this is probably too controversial for a general discussion thread for a reality show, so I’m just going to leave it at that. 

Well it's because white people enslaved Black people, and then put up no N** allowed signs, and Black people didn't. 

 

Really though, as a Jew I can make Jewish jokes that people who are Muslim and Christian (etc) shouldn't make. But I don't make the same jokes about Muslim, as my Muslim friends can make. Words don't hit the same coming from all groups. 

 

And especially in this country, racially charged words don't count the same coming from a white person as a Black person. Also consider this, he used it in a derogatory way towards his white friend. Suggesting that calling someone a N** is an insult, and implying their Black is an insult. 

 

Oh, and I 100% would be fired from my job if I used the term in a personal or professional capacity. How about we stop centering the conversation around the white person who screwed up's feelings? And instead consider all the Black artists who haven't received even one chance, despite not screwing up. They're the ones who have been cancelled. 

Edited by seak05
  • Like 11
  • Thanks 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, seak05 said:

Well it's because white people enslaved Black people, and then put up no N** allowed signs, and Black people didn't. 

 

Really though, as a Jew I can make Jewish jokes that people who are Muslim and Christian (etc) shouldn't make. But I don't make the same jokes about Muslim, as my Muslim friends can make. Words don't hit the same coming from all groups. 

 

And especially in this country, racially charged words don't count the same coming from a white person as a Black person. Also consider this, he used it in a derogatory way towards his white friend. Suggesting that calling someone a N** is an insult, and implying their Black is an insult. 

 

Oh, and I 100% would be fired from my job if I used the term in a personal or professional capacity. How about we stop centering the conversation around the white person who screwed up's feelings? And instead consider all the Black artists who haven't received even one chance, despite not screwing up. They're the ones who have been cancelled. 


:yes: to everything.

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, TeamAudra said:

The discussion around whether the punishment fits the crime was particularly interesting to me, because I was thinking about that today. Many people are basically saying....”wait a minute, he said this to a white friend,” while many black people throw the word around all the time, including at each other, and they don’t get cancelled.” In no way am I suggesting what Wallen did should be excused, but there does appear to be a double standard that a lot of people are having a difficult time wrapping their head around, me included. My expectation is that nobody uses the word. 

 

1 hour ago, seak05 said:

Well it's because white people enslaved Black people, and then put up no N** allowed signs, and Black people didn't. 

 

Really though, as a Jew I can make Jewish jokes that people who are Muslim and Christian (etc) shouldn't make. But I don't make the same jokes about Muslim, as my Muslim friends can make. Words don't hit the same coming from all groups. 

 

And especially in this country, racially charged words don't count the same coming from a white person as a Black person. Also consider this, he used it in a derogatory way towards his white friend. Suggesting that calling someone a N** is an insult, and implying their Black is an insult. 

 

The first thing I'm going to say is that not knowing something is okay, as long as the person is willing to be educated. 😉

 

Anyways, since that word is a reclaimed slur, it's okay to use it if the user is a black person. If the user is white, it's absolutely unacceptable. The reason is simple: power relations b/w black and white people. White people historically and currently have more power/privilege in our society. 😌

Edited by disney1024
  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

If Wallen really wanted to, he could become defiant, act out a persecution complex and probably make a good chunk of change appealing to the Kevin Sorbo, Rand Paul, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh types in America. It would kill any long-term growth aspirations though. And so far he doesn't appear to be that type of person anyway.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • istersay changed the title to Voice General Discussion 2 🧵
  • istersay locked and unlocked this topic
  • istersay unpinned this topic

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...