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A little birdie told me. The Kelly Clarkson Show is also moving to NYC next season. What a coincidence.

Reducing to 1 Season may make many here happy but I doubt it makes the current coaches happy. It cuts their pay in half. Blake doesn't like touring much anymore (only wants a few weeks a year on the road), John can't even fill small venues solo so he can't make as much money touring, and Kelly can't tour because of her television show & family situation. Expect to see the coaches in new lots of new projects pretty quickly. Vegas will be chock full of ex & current The Voice Coaches.

The answer is an emphatic YES. No one is cheesier than Clay Aiken. This is not a road I wish to travel. It is boobie-trapped with Cootie bombs.

If you're a John Legend fan this is an unpopular opinion. I really dislike John's arrangement and performance style. He's bombastic, showy, and cheesy. Go watch this CHEESY arrangement & performance of Bridge Over Troubled Water. Everything he does is cheesy. It's a horrible arrangement & cheesy performance of a great classic song. John can sing well but he doesn't emote well. He projects false emotion that turns into cheese. I think John got extremely lucky very early in his career. He was in the right place at the right time and the dearth of african-american singers when he hit the scene propped him up. His poor interpretation of classic songs is a hallmark of his cheesy nature. The era of inclusivity pushed boring John Stephens (he changed his name to Legend because he knew he was boring) further than his talent deserved.

I think you've got it wrong. Kelly has a larger, more active fanbase than Blake. Country is the genre of choice at TV and prior to Kelly joining the show Blake probably had a fan advantage across all genres but since Kelly arrived she's won the majority of head to head battles with Blake (and everyone else) with "winning" country singers. Kelly brings a larger, more balanced, multi-genre fan base to the voting than Blake. Blake has won more times than Kelly because he's been there 13 more seasons not because he's more popular or a better coach.

I don't get how out of sync this message board is with the the American television audience. It's amazing how far from reality the majority of this forums opinions are. Kenzie is going to win and it's not even close. Looking the part, charisma, in the moment performances that peak the publics interest, and genuine talent win singing competitions. Kenzie has all that and more. He was born to be a star. Jake Hoot won and he's not one tenth the talent Kenzie is. Kenzie is exciting and fresh with absolute top tier explosive talent far beyond any competition The Voice provides. Kelly knows it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but how can this forum be so consistently crazy wrong season after season?

It doesn't make me happy to criticize Idol. Season 1 shocked me with Kelly Clarkson's undiscovered world class talent and roped the rest of the planet into the TV singing competition craze. It re-energized my love of music when it was at a low point in my life and I've maintained my love for it ever since. Today, 19 years later, Idol is reduced to silly Judges playing kazoos to get more screen time amid the worst talent in Idol history. Idol needs a complete makeover - new judges, new studio, new producers, new everything. Take it back to the basics: singer, stage, critique. public vote. Reality is always better than the contrived. Idol now showcases Judges doing *nothing* interesting, untalented people who literally can't carry a tune and encourages them to continue an Idol journey to an absolute dead end. Episode 3 was the worst Idol episode I've ever seen - so bad I had to turn it off. I'm done with this season of Idol. I promise I will not post again during season 19. It would be easy to bring Idol back. Authenticity is all it needs. I hope it does - so I can come back and enjoy it.

Art happens when life meets inner-hearts performance in some compelling way. The saving grace of this episode was Rhonda. Her circumstances alone were enough to move me to tears - her performance in light of her circumstances broke the dam. Unfortunately this episode, IMO, is the worst in the history of American Idol. And as moving as Rhonda was it isn't near enough to save it. How did Idol get so far off track?

Idol isn't Idol anymore. The show's main pitch at ABC is how much drama there is in the singers personal life. And it's mind-numbing.g.g.g.g.g. I recorded the first two episodes this season and zapped thru them both in less than 20 minutes - skipping several singers altogether. All I care about is the singing - and the presentation of the singing is more staged and less spontaneous than ever. I think they script & rehearse many of the judges reactions & critiques. It looks, feels, and smells fake. eta - About Gabby Barrett: Her post idol success is 100% the product of "I Hope" - a song she co-wrote. Without IH we wouldn't be talking about her at all. Gabby isn't beautiful or charismatic - and her voice a just slightly above average - but apparently she can write her own songs and that's ALL you really need to make it in the music business.

Idol became a success with a simple & pure 3 step formula: 1. Make the show about the singers talent. 2. Analyze the talent with Judges critiques. 3. Give the public the final vote to choose it's winners. The Voice came along with a different formula that focuses on the coaches chemistry and beat Idol in the ratings. And Idol lost it's soul chasing The Voice formula. Nothing has changed with American Idol Season 19. It's still on a foreign path far from it's successful original formula. It's still chasing The Voice - and the chemistry between the Idol Judges still smells like a WWE wrestling match.

Maybe her best performance.

Moving, beautiful, and timeless.

I don't know anything about anything but Chevel's dad seems flakey - in a well-meaning but extremely crude (and a lil creepy) way.

Anti-Carrie Underwood fan here. Besides the other things I'm going to mention I don't care for Underwood's one dimensional vocal technique or wall to wall belting. Underwood clubs songs to death with volume. Most of her fans believe that's her biggest asset. I jthink she's got a loud mouth. Subtlety and nuance are foreign words to Underwood's narrow musicality. Tenderness and meek vulnerability don't mix well with all the monotone belting she does. What little versatility she has doesn't appear in her catalog. Carrie Underwood has done more to hurt the careers of her female country peers than anyone in any era of Country Music history. Every country songwriter in America sends CU their best work - leaving nothing but scraps for most other great country females singers out there - Martina McBride included. Beginning with her second album Carrie's been changing a word or two on other writers work and taking writing credits she doesn't deserve. Underwood has never written a single melody for any song she has ever recorded that reached the top 10 on the country charts. Underwood often participates in the writing process but only as a sounding board to help the real writers work out the phrasing. Underwood's music & squeaky clean persona fit the widest available female country radio niche and Country radio gave it to her 15 years ago. Carrie won that slot with her American Idol win and, most importantly, with her first album "Some Hearts". Carries biggest career making hits are on "Some Hearts". Of the 13 songs on that album Carrie had one tiny co-writing credit with two other writers on ONE (1) track - the last track on the album. Carrie Underwood's Idol victory, first album's mega success, and strangle hold on country songwriters is the backbone of her success and why there are so few opportunities for other females artists on country radio. Underwood's attractive features and petite figure combined with keeping her private life wholesome and controversy free make her an easy, safe, and popular choice for country radio programmers to choose her over other country female artists. I can't argue with Underwood's chart and touring success. But I wouldn't walk across the street to hear her drone boring caterwauling.

It used to be the case great songwriters wrote great songs and they handed them off to great singers to sing them. Taylor Swift came along and played a big part in changing that business model. Taylor is a shitty singer but a great songwriter. She managed to write great songs with great hooks she could perform in her extremely limited one octave range. Swifts vocals were never the artistic aspect of her songs. Her songs are always reduced to simple, single octave vocals she's capable of performing - as basic and easy as a child singing "Happy Birthday". When great singers cover Swifts songs they expand the range, nuance, and phrasing, and make her songs exponentially better. But Swift and the current batch of radio girls (Maren Morris, Kelsea Ballerini etc.) are recording the songs they write despite they're limited vocal abilities for fame and fortune - art be damned - and you can't really blame them until you hear a great singer cover their shitty vocals. I'm not a fan of this way of producing music. I want to hear great singers sing great songs. Shitty singers singing great songs are like children playing. Unfortunately, today, all that matters is the songs hook - the singer's skill is an afterthought.

I was disappointed Kelly didn't tweet a link to Chevel's new video too. It is understandable though, Kelly does have a lot going on - and maybe Chevel didn't tell her when she was releasing it. But that's hard to believe that since Kelly is the Executive producer of Chevel's EP. I have a feeling Kelly paid for the video too. Kelly's soon-to-be ex-husband, Brandon, is not involved in Chevel's career. eta - I forgot to say how much I like "The Letter". The only downside to the song is the opening verse (and a few other spots) needed a strong lower register for contrast and, unfortunately, Chevel just doesn't have a lower register. The rest of the song is great, emotional, well sung, and memorable. I hope Country Radio picks it up. Chevel just needs one small radio hit to crack that tough-ass country radio window .

It's never been more obvious than today's Hamilton Tribute episode of The Kelly Clarkson Show that Kelly Clarkson is the best Talk Show/Entertainment Host in television. Kelly's genuine interaction, sharp instincts, sparkling dialogue, and innate natural delivery with the entire original cast of the epic Broadway Musical Hamilton tops anything Ellen or even Oprah could do. Kelly didn't win an Emmy for top Entertainment Talk Show Host for nothing - she "is" the most talented talk show host on television. Kelly's brilliant communication with the cast beamed across the universe was amazing. Add Clarkson's world class vocal talent - that never ends - and there has never-ever been a more talented singer/mama/entertainer/host than Kelly Clarkson. #She'sallthat!

I hope someone helps Just Sam get her foot in the door. With a big dose of self confidence and some allies in R&B/HipHop she could break out. Idol doesn't seem to have an answer to the problem. After all the failures from AI and TV it's obvious it all comes down to getting a "hit" song on the radio. And it seems no one is going to give a talent show winner one anymore. So they're going to have to write it themselves. It's time for a hybrid show that includes songwriting in the process similar to Nashville Star. A collaboration between Songland and The Voice would be a good place to start..

A little surprised Gwen is coming back. Probably shouldn't be. Gwen is an icon with a solid fanbase. It looks like TV is embracing the older demo - that's where The Voice dominates the ratings. Gwen is fun and funny and that's what gives The Voice the advantage over Idol. Happy to here there will be lots of laughs on Season 19!

I'll stipulate the main portion of your post and agree Blake's longevity at The Voice give him some advantages. I won't agree he has carte blanche with the fans - because he doesn't. eta - This forum only has, at most, a few dozen regular posters so anything I post here has limited effect. I enjoy the "small extent" of the banter here. It's one of the few places on the net where there is consistent reaction from a very small universe of dedicated consistent posters on this subject. I enjoy it here. My daily life is very different than this forum and that dichotomy gives me a strange freedom I rarely experience.

If Kelly and Blake had started on The Voice together in season 1 Kelly would probably have twice as many wins as Blake. Kelly Clarkson is enormously more talented and analytically adept in every aspect of music than Blake. Clarkson would have mined & mentored far more talented contestants than Shelton. Blake is a great guy but he can't hold a candle to Clarkson in any aspect of vocal performance in any genre. It's not my intention to denigrate Blake's talents but comparing Blake Shelton's vocal skills to Kelly Clarkson's vocal skills is like comparing an amoeba to a full grown medieval Dragon. Kelly Clarkson sang Ave Maria to the Pope and the world wept at it's beauty. Kelly Clarkson sang My Country Tis of Thee at Obama's 2nd inauguration and changed the world. Blake is incapable of competing with Kelly Clarkson in any head to head vocal competition. Good ole country boys & their families will disagree but 99% of the rest of the world won't even acknowledge Blake Shelton exists. Clarkson is a multi-genre 4 octave genius. Blake can only admire her from a distance too far to comprehend. Blake's good fortune is derived exclusively from the lowest end of the economic spectrum of the country music genre where anyone who can carry a tune relates to the poorest among us. He's had other successes but they were anomalies. BIG ANOMALIES.

So Audra - you came to that conclusion based on Toneisha's 2nd place finish? Seriously? I think you're wrong by a long shot. I have no official data about this specific issue - but neither do you. Let's analyze the anecdotal evidence along with the verifiable empirical data we know to be fact: Kelly signed her The Voice contract, confirmed by Variety, in late 2017, for $560K per episode = $14 to $15 million per season (25 to 27 episodes) = $28 to $30 million per year. Kelly won 3 of her first 4 seasons. Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani signed new TV contracts, with raises, just days prior to the beginning of season 17, widely reported to be approximately $14 million per season each - still at least $1 million below Clarkson's inaugural season 14 contract. Kelly Clarkson signed a new NBCUniversal deal in late 2018 for The Voice, Awards Shows, Specials (Holidays), future Christmas Specials, The Kelly Clarkson Show, and a $10 million content development contract for Clarkson and her husband, Manager & Executive Producer, Brandon Blackstock. The value of Clarkson's new contract has not been revealed but Clarkson certainly got a raise from her original $560K per episode season 14 The Voice salary which makes her the highest paid coach on The Voice by a considerable sum. Kelly's husband, Brandon Blackstock, manages both Clarkson and Blake Shelton. Managers typically earn 20% of client earnings above $5 million. That means Kelly Clarkson's family is earning at least an additional $3 million from Clarkson's TV salary and an additional $2 million (probably more) from Shelton's TV salary and more from other entertainment income Shelton earns. Clarkson and her husband Brandon are bringing home somewhere in the vicinity of $21 to $22 million per season ($42 to $44 million per year) minimum from TV alone. Add in The Kelly Clarkson Show salary (reported to be $7 to $8 million for her first season) - however her show was renewed for season 2 quickly due to outstanding ratings November 18th, 2019 just 6 weeks after it's debut - and it's certain Clarkson will earn more for season 2 of The Kelly Clarkson Show and for additional programming duties like the Billboard Music Awards, Red Nose Day, other specials, and Holiday programs. This puts Clarkson somewhere in the $52 to $55 million per year salary range from NBCUniversal (excluding the $10 million development deal) - which makes her NBC's highest paid star by a looooooong shot. Ellen makes more but she doesn't work for NBCUniversal. The Kelly Clarkson Show received 7 Emmy nominations (more than any other Entertainment Talk Show), including nods for BEST ENTERTAINMENT TALK SHOW, and BEST ENTERTAINMENT TALK SHOW HOST. Clarkson takes home at least $20 million more from the network than Blake Shelton earns from NBC. Blake is certainly popular and has a strong country fanbase - but Clarkson's base extends across genres and demographics. Clarkson is more famous than Shelton and has the added advantage of her national daytime talk show & multiple Television entertainment formats available to her, assets Shelton does not have, to promote her brand and NBC's full network schedule of brands. Kelly Clarkson for the win - a permanent Red Chair on The Voice - and reigning Queen of NBC.

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This is an internet message board. No one believes anything anyone says - especially about themselves. If I told you I own more than 500 hotels (mainly roadside franchise motels/hotels on main interstate hiway exchanges), I've owned dozens of television & radio stations in the past, promoted national & international concert tours decades ago before LiveNation & AEG cornered the market, own outright two full size cruise ships, own moorings and cruise ship docks in Miami, New Orleans, Boston, Los Angeles & San Francisco, own more than 600 thousand acres of land in 33 states, and much, much more you'd never believe anyone so wealthy and accomplished would spend time on an internet message board discussing television singing shows. So - there's nothing I can say that you would believe. But I'm honest when it's necessary. Rich people have time-wasting passions too - and I'm one of them. eta - and I forgot to say - yeah I like KC. But she does &hit that aggravates me all the time. Her personality, heart & soul come thru in her voice and it moves me unlike anyone ever has.

Let me throw this out there. If there's one thing in my life I've learned it's not to underestimate religious dedication. Todd has a religious fanbase and I agree with your assessment of drawing a larger crowd in that single regard.