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  1. It was a little weird to see her performing in a group song after learning she was eliminated. Yes, someone else who agrees with me that she sounded the best in this performance! Fair enough about not sharing a ranking. Happy to see this is agreed at being on the list as an honorable mention.
  2. OK, you got it! Hopefully I can get at least three more people...
  3. This is some rather upsetting news to wake up to. I'm officially burning my fan card. In all seriousness, while it's very disappointing, it's not enough to be a dealbreaker. I've said this before, unless it's something completely egregious and unforgivable, I try not to let anyone's political preferences affect the way I feel about them, and her being a Republican - while upsetting - isn't enough for me to turn my back on her. With that said, I'm curious to see if she'll address this in some form and see where to go from there.
  4. The Great American Idol Debate Summary: The purpose of this thread is to have two posters debate on an American Idol related topic, whether it’s about a contestant, judge, or an event that occurred, just to name a few examples. From there, the public will vote on who had the better argument. Debaters: I would like to have a minimum of four debaters, though I am aiming for six. I’m still deciding whether or not to have applications or make it a first-come first-serve basis. What I’m looking for in a debater: Should be a fairly active poster Is able to write a minimum of 250 words per argument Able to submit said argument within a certain time frame (usually a week) Rules For Debaters: I will post a topic and debaters will have the opportunity to decide whether or not they want to participate in said topic. This will be on a first-come, first-serve basis. The first two debaters to post their interest will debate on the topic. Debaters will have 24 hours to decide whether or not they want to debate on the topic. A debater has to submit his/her argument within the time given unless an extension is requested. Only one extension per debate will be granted. If an argument cannot be submitted within the given time frame or extension for whatever reason, it is up to the debater to inform me ahead of time and another debater will have the opportunity to replace the original debater. The arguments cannot have any profanity whatsoever. Also, personal attacks and insults, whether they’re against other debaters or contestants are strictly prohibited. This is meant to be fun, so let’s try to keep it as clean and respectful as possible. The debater who receives the most votes will have the opportunity to pick the next topic up for debate. Any rule that is broken will result in a strike for the debater. Three strikes and the poster will no longer be a debater and someone else will have the opportunity to replace said poster as a debater. The one exception is if anyone breaks the personal attack rule, which will result in instant removal. Votes: As mentioned, the public will vote on whoever has the most convincing argument. I ask that the votes are based on which debater argued their side better rather than which side the voters preferred. For example, if a voter is anti-Sanjaya, but the debater who was pro-Sanjaya had the better argument, I ask that the voter votes for the pro-Sanjaya side. As of right now, there will be two voting methods (other methods may be eventually added): Online Survey (I will create a survey and provide a link to it) IDF Private Messaging (PM) Voting Rules: Both methods can be used; however, only one vote per method will count per poster. Any more than that will result in all of the votes from the poster discarded. Voters will have 24 hours to vote. Any vote submitted after the deadline will not count. Debaters are not allowed to vote in debates they took part in. Non-active debaters, however, will be allowed to vote. Those should be the basics. Anything else that comes to mind will be added later. This is my first time hosting something like this, so it may be a little rough in the beginning as I'm still trying to think of ideas as to how I want to run this thing. I'll be more than happy to receive any input on how to make this better. With that said, hopefully this will be something others will enjoy and take part of. @Bk1234
  5. One of the toughest things Idol hopefuls have to do is perform one final time after receiving the bad news that they will no longer continue in the competition. Some were able to collect themselves and give strong performances; for others, it's unfortunately the opposite. From S15 onward, however, it appears Idol has done away with this tradition; maybe it's for the better, who knows. As mentioned, I'm going to rank my personal favorite swan songs. If anyone else wants to rank their favorite swan songs, they are more than welcome to do so. With that said I'll start off with this... Honorable Mention: Vonzell Solomon Vonzell was my second S4 favorite, and I was happy to see her make it as far as she did, especially considering I thought there were times she was going to leave much earlier. I think S4's Top 3 is one of the best AI has ever had, and frankly an argument could be made for any of the three to be in the finale. However, it was clear to see the Top 2 were going to be Carrie and Bo, so Vonzell went as far as she was going to go. What was different with this exit performance from the others was there was a group performance instead of Vonzell singing by herself. Despite her elimination, she was in good spirits and sounded really strong in the performance; in fact, I dare say she was the best of the three. I especially liked how she got the biggest part in the end and got to showcase her voice. Because it was a group performance, I decided not to add it to my eventual main list, but I still wanted to post it and talk about it some. Honorable Mention: Vonzell Solomon I'm still working on which swan songs I want to add to my list as well as how many I want to rank overall. I'll hopefully have something up some time tomorrow.
  6. So Kree finally showed up. I thought at this rate she was good for at least Top 5. All things considered, she's higher than I expected, but I won't complain about her spot. She's my second favorite from S12, so I'm happy to see her second here as well (and even more happy to see Candice win her season). Aw, I was hoping for Brooke to at least place above Archie, but I'm fine with her here all things considered, as she's in my personal Top 15 as well. As of right now, the only ranking I'm disappointed in is Elise's.
  7. I've decided the next topic I'll rank is my favorite swan songs. To be honest, this one is kind of difficult to do because there are some that don't have videos posted online. With that said, I'll come up with something and make it work somehow. I'm not sure when I'll start this one as I have some things to do today. Also, I'm working on some finishing touches for the other thread I plan on starting and hopefully will have that posted some time today.
  8. I pretty much agree with your thoughts about Flying Without Wings. Falling does have some jazzy vibes coming from it. The arrangement is really nice. This is just a theory, but the reason I think No Boundaries gets a lot of flack is because as I mentioned, Kara is a very accomplished songwriter and therefore was expected to write a better coronation song than what was actually produced. As for I Believe, I think this was one of Tamyra's first attempt at songwriting and that, combined with her being a well-liked contestant, may have giving her some leeway. Fair enough about thinking this song is overrated. Carrie really does have a pretty voice, and the song does a good job of showcasing it. It's just that I wished the song itself was better. I just think the harder vibe of Dream Big suited David better than The Time Of My Life. With that said, I do agree his voice sounded nice on this song. There will be very few arguments from me over A Moment Like This being #1. I can't say I really disagree with this. I would definitely have I Believe ahead of The Time Of My Life. Flying Without Wings - I pretty much agree with this Falling - Fair enough, though I like that it's not the usual theme the coronation songs have I Believe - I'm not a fan of the covers of it either because as mentioned the emotion Fantasia pours into it Inside Your Heaven - No arguments from me regarding this. I prefer Angels Brought Me Here as well The Time of My Life - Pretty much in agreement here A Moment Like This - That line does seem out of place, but I feel it's one of the better coronation tunes, though a good number of it has to do with the nostalgia, I admit.
  9. From the looks of it, Brooke is the new Kree.
  10. OK, fair enough. I absolutely hated Syesha during S7 (I like her a lot more now), but even I was infuriated at Randy's comments after that performance. At least Simon praised her for it. The Happy Feet song was something else, as if the finale wasn't going to come down to the Davids anyway. I don't mind that Brooke hasn't shown up yet (that will probably change if some contestants appear before her though).
  11. This Allison Iraheta shade. As for Carly, I liked her well enough, but I liked others more from that season as well as the rest of the Top 24, so I'm fine with this placement.
  12. Time to see how the last six are ranked. 6. Ruben Studdard - Flying Without Wings IDF Average: 7.33 Flying Without Wings is a cover of a Westlife song. I found it odd the show gave Ruben a cover whereas Clay received an original tune (if not, disregard this). Ruben sang this song well; his voice really soared on it. However, I am personally not a fan of the song because as I said before, I would like the coronation songs to be original songs. Furthermore, I find the song boring and schmaltzy. I would have this one pretty low, somewhere near Beautiful Day. With that said, I would give this one the edge although BD is the better song, I prefer Ruben's voice to Lee's. 5. Trent Harmon - Falling IDF Average: 7.00 This one is certainly different from the other songs as it's more of a sensual love song. Though I like La'Porsha's song better, this one is great as well. Trent's voice took me some time to get used to, and while there are still certain things about it I'm not too fond of, he sang the heck out of this song. I especially like how his voice soars in the chorus. In addition, it's clear to me Keith definitely put his stamp on this song. Overall, it's a song I would have pretty high and it was a nice introduction to the country route Trent would eventually go post-Idol. 4. Fantasia - I Believe IDF Average: 5.33 I always thought there were two songs that were synonymous with their winners: A Moment Like This and I Believe. Regarding the latter, I always felt Fantasia's biggest strength was she poured everything into her songs and performances; this was no different. The lyrics are the typical cheese that is expected with especially the early coronation songs; however, Fantasia really sold the song. My favorite part is the bridge, which is where I really feel Fantasia's voice soars. This would be in my Top 5 as far as coronation songs go, and if the Idol performances were ranked, this would be my #1 with a bullet and because of it, everyone who has attempted this song always fell short in my eyes. 3. Carrie Underwood - Inside Your Heaven IDF Average: 5.00 I have to say, I'm not the biggest fan of Inside Your Heaven; however, based on the results, I'm clearly in the minority. The one positive thing I can say about this song is that Carrie's voice sounds really nice here. Also, the lyrics and subject matter clearly relate to her more (it just doesn't feel right with Bo singing it). Now for the negatives: outside of the usual cheesy lyrics, I feel the song is stagnant and doesn't have much variety through it; I felt it could've benefited from a dramatic modulation or something. Overall, this one would be in the bottom half of my rankings. Bk1234 2. David Cook - The Time Of My Life IDF Average: 4.67 I have to be honest, I was not expecting this one to rank as high as it did, but here we are. It's not a bad song by any means; however, I felt there are better ones. Apparently this one was favored over Dream Big because that was supposed to be his original coronation tune, and I actually liked Dream Big more. Anyway, David had some good vocal moments on this song as he was able to showcase some nice dynamics in it. The one thing I chuckle at is him singing about a magic rainbow because it doesn't seem like something he would sing about. At the end of the day, I would probably have this one somewhere in the middle. 1. Kelly Clarkson - A Moment Like This IDF Average: 1.67 Coming in at #1 is none other than the original coronation song. For starters, Kelly sounds really strong from both a vocally and emotionally standpoint. Based on the song, it was easy to see Kelly really connected to the song and as I mentioned in the I Believe write-up, this song is synonymous with Kelly, though Amber Holcomb did a very respectable job with it in S12. Also, I love the variety and dynamics in the song; if I have to pick my favorite part, it would be the final chorus with the key change because I felt it was a great way to bring the song home. Finally, there's just the nostalgic factor this song has because it was the first and put a great exclamation point on Kelly's victory. Overall, this one is in my Top 3 and it's very worthy of its #1 spot. Bk1234 006. Ruben Studdard - Flying Without Wings 005. Trent Harmon - Falling 004. Fantasia - I Believe 003. Carrie Underwood - Inside Your Heaven 002. David Cook - The Time Of My Life 001. Kelly Clarkson - A Moment Like This Recap: 018. Lee DeWyze - Beautiful Day 017. Scotty McCreery - I Love You This Big 016. Caleb Johnson - As Long As You Love Me 015. Candice Glover - I Am Beautiful 014. Laine Hardy - Flame 013. Taylor Hicks - Do I Make You Proud 012. Maddie Poppe - Going Going Gone 011. Just Sam - Rise Up 010. Phillip Phillips - Home 009. Jordin Sparks - This Is My Now 008. Kris Allen - No Boundaries 007. Nick Fradiani - Beautiful Life 006. Ruben Studdard - Flying Without Wings 005. Trent Harmon - Falling 004. Fantasia - I Believe 003. Carrie Underwood - Inside Your Heaven 002. David Cook - The Time Of My Life 001. Kelly Clarkson - A Moment Like This Well, that's it for the coronation songs; at least it finished before the upcoming updates. I'm not sure what to do next although I have a couple of ideas in mind. In addition, I have an idea for another thread; however, that one would most likely fit in the Games subforum. I'm not sure when these will come to fruition as I have some homework to do, so the status is a wait and see.
  13. As far as Gabby's was concerned, the main issue I had with was that is was schizophrenic, meaning that it sounded country in some parts and R&B in others. It would've been better if it stuck to just one genre. With that said, fair enough about preferring hers to Maddie's. At least it appears you think this song fits Maddie well. The studio version of this song is really good; Sam really did her thing with this one. Don't ever feel afraid to express any opinion as long as its respectful, even if it's unpopular (I should know since I have a few of those myself ). I'm sure there are sound reasons as to why people feel certain ways about certain things. As for the song, I may not agree with the opinion on it, but I understand and respect it. Can't say I disagree with what was said about This Is My Now. While No Boundaries is not one of my favorite coronation songs, I absolutely will not begrudge anyone for liking it; in fact, I'm happy to see someone like and appreciate it! Seeing that S14 was the first season you watched live, I can understand how it could be nostalgic and why it holds a special place in your heart. 012. I would have this one higher as well. 011. Pretty much in agreement here. 010. Completely understandable. 009. Understandable about placing this one higher. Jordin did sound really nice on it. 008. Fair enough. 007. Completely understandable here as well.
  14. While I won't say I was surprised at its ranking, I expected this one to be higher. I would have Going Going Gone higher as well. I guess due to the pandemic there wasn't time to write or look for a proper song for her. Fair enough about the ranking. Fair enough about finding Home overrated. I agree about it being better than Jessica's. I pretty much agree about This Is My Now being corny but fitting Jordin. Outside of watching a few performances for my other thread, I haven't watched much of S8 lately and therefore don't remember Kris deliberately forgetting the lyrics. I'm not too fond of the song itself and wouldn't have it this high either. Fair enough about Beautiful Life. I remember when IDF crashed after his win during my lurking days.
  15. 12. Maddie Poppe - Going Going Gone IDF Average: 11.33 Admittedly, I was not much of a fan of this song at first, though I preferred it over Gabby's and Caleb's, mainly because it sounded like something Phillip would've done; even the title was similar to one of his singles! However, this one has grown on me over time. It has a nice rhythm to it and the chorus is pretty catchy. In addition, Maddie sounded really nice on it, especially on said chorus. Finally, I liked that the subject matter wasn't all about rainbows and the other sappy topics that are usually prevalent in these types of songs. I would probably have this one a little higher at the end of the day. 11. Just Sam - Rise Up IDF Average: 11.00 As I mentioned in Lee's Beautiful Day write-up, I would like the coronation songs to be original. However, in this case there was practically no choice due to the circumstances. I do think this was a good song for Sam because it encapsulated her journey perfectly. Furthermore, I really liked the way she sounded on the song; perhaps Sam's biggest strength as a singer was her emotional connection to whatever she sang, and this was no exception. This is another coronation song I would most likely have higher; with everything said, however, Rise Up is now joining my list of songs I can go multiple lifetimes without ever hearing it again. 10. Phillip Phillips - Home IDF Average: 8.67 If anyone received good fortune when it came to coronation songs, it was certainly Phillip. It was thought he was going to get a sappy song with a bunch of high notes he would struggle to hit (think of Blake and This Is My Now). However, he managed to get a song that completely fit his style. Plus, it didn't hurt it was used in 2012 Summer Olympics and thus gaining more exposure. Home is certainly a catchy tune that some can't help but sing along to (at least it was like that for me at first). With that said, Phillip is never going to win gold when it comes to vocal gymnastics; however, he sounded really nice here. Overall, Home is definitely one of the better coronation songs Idol's produced. Bk1234 9. Jordin Sparks - This Is My Now IDF Average: 8.00 Speaking of This Is My Now. Needless to say, this is a power ballad which definitely suited Jordin better. It certainly has its fair share of cheesy lyrics; however, I think this is a song that was perfect for Jordin at the time, as the subject matter seemed to relate to her more than Blake. Also, Jordin's voice sounded really strong here and it sounded like she meant every word she sang. I don't know where I would rank this song in my overall rankings, but all things considered, I don't think this one was as bad as some of the others and therefore, I won't raise any eyebrows at this placement. 8. Kris Allen - No Boundaries IDF Average: 7.67 Here is one of the more maligned coronation songs. In some circles, it's considered to be the worst of the lot. It's another reason Kara was looked at unfavorably during her time on Idol because she was the one who wrote it. Kara is a very accomplished songwriter; however, this was not one of her crowning moments. With that said, while it's one of my least favorite coronation songs, I think Kris did a great job singing and selling it. He sounded so earnest here, and I believed him when it came to having no boundaries at anything. Overall, I would've had this one lower, but I can understand how it got this high. Bk1234 7. Nick Fradiani - Beautiful Life IDF Average: 7.67 As seen, both No Boundaries and Beautiful Life were tied as far as the IDF averages went. However, based on the votes, Beautiful Life is placed one place higher. To be honest, if it came down to it, I would've favored Beautiful Life over No Boundaries as well. This is a pretty catchy song, and I feel it's one of the better coronation tunes. I thought Nick did a nice job vocally here, from the steady verses (though I still chuckle at some of the lyrics in the first verse) to the explosive chorus. I think it's overlooked because of the controversy of Nick winning his season. I would have this one in my upper half and somewhere around this spot as well. Bk1234 012. Maddie Poppe - Going Going Gone 011. Just Sam - Rise Up 010. Phillip Phillips - Home 009. Jordin Sparks - This Is My Now 008. Kris Allen - No Boundaries 007. Nick Fradiani - Beautiful Life Just wanted to post the next set so there's some activity. It'll probably be a couple of days before I post the remaining songs.
  16. I don't have the spreadsheet with me at the moment, but I'll just say after calculating everything there were some results that me raise my eyebrows a bit. 18. I was disappointed Crystal fell short as well, especially after Up To The Mountain. As for the song, I get the last place ranking as well. 17. Fair enough, as I'd have it a few places higher as well. 16. I can't say I have any issues with this placement either. 15. Fair enough 14. Fair enough, LOL. 13. I'd probably have this a little higher as well. 018. Haha, fair enough. 017. It's probably the same for me. 016. Fair enough. Jessica and Caleb were my Top 2 that season as well. 015. Fair enough. I wish there was a better song for her. 014. It's what the results are. Though I'm not a fan of Candice's song, I still would've had it above Laine's. 013. Fair enough.
  17. Yes, Thingamajig was certainly impressive despite not being a professional singer. Him and Nicole were cute indeed. The Rottweiler did well on the different songs. Though I was spoiled on who he was, I would've guessed who he was based on his social media clue. I did start Season 3; in fact, I only have four more episodes to go in that season. Right now, I'm liking Kitty, Dark Angel (or was it Death Angel; I'm not going to look and confirm in fear of being spoiled ), and Frog. I was disappointed Mouse was cut as early as she was and it would've been cool to see Miss Monster win if only because Monster won the first season. 018. I pretty much agree with the sentiments here. It is weird to compare this to the other ones. 017. Nothing much to add here. 016. Fair enough about this song. 015. Understandable. 014. Despite not really being a fan of the song, it can be catchy. 013. I would've liked to hear Elliott sing it as well. If only the Kat/Elliott finale would've came to fruition. If that were the case, this may or may not be surprising, I would've rooted for Elliott to win and perhaps even voted more for him because I felt he would've benefited the most from the title. With that said, it's understandable how it's thought that Taylor sang the song well. I have a grueling week ahead of me as far as schoolwork is concerned, so I'm not sure when the next set will be posted. I'll try to have it up tomorrow; I have to see where I'm at first.
  18. I believe I voted Kimberley higher, but I can't really complain about this placement. Some people thought Julia's New York State Of Mind was better than Kimberley's? I liked Julia and her version, but there's no way I would put hers ahead of Kimberley's or Erika's. Looking at the previous set of 24, there were some interesting names to say the least. Also, some big names are missing, the most notable one being Kelly. What happened there?
  19. It would've been cool to see Vonzell as the last S4 contestant, but I had a feeling that wasn't going to happen. At least she placed second from that season. I'm tempted to guess Kree; however, I have a feeling Brooke is going to be one of the two showing up next.
  20. OK, I'll keep that in mind for the future. Fair enough about Beautiful Day Thinking about it, the song did suit Scotty well. I agree about the title though. It reminds me a bit of Meatloaf's I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That); what exactly won't Meatloaf do for love? In the same vein, how big does Scotty love this special person? I'm sure there are two versions of ALAYLM that are more well-known than Caleb's. With that said, I do agree it showed off Caleb's vocals well. I can't say I disagree with the thoughts on Candice's song; it was pretty disappointing. Fair enough about the song not fitting Laine. Laine is more country-rock, and this song appears to be more in the pop-rock vein. I pretty much agree about the intensity never wavering; more variety would've helped the song out. I don't know about everything falling into place perfectly, but I do agree about placing it higher than where it is now, though not by much. I'd probably have it around the same spot as yours.
  21. Blake was my least favorite remaining, but he was the contestant who helped change Idol from the mostly karaoke contest it was prior to his arrival. At least Melinda is the last one standing from her season.
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