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post Sep 29th 2011, 8:14 PM
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Alright gang, we're under one week before CAD debuts as an album and under two weeks before CAD debuts on the Billboard charts. With the latter in mind, it's time to start establishing comparative benchmarks to guide our sales expectations.

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The following is a list of recent #1 Billboard Country albums grouped by debut sales numbers:

Recent #1 Country Albums that debuted with sales between 41,963 and 65,453 units
41,963 Pistol Annies (Miranda Lambert)
52,061 Brantley Gilbert (actually, he's going to have the #2 Country album this week)
55,000 Sara Evans
55,392 Jake Owen
65,453 Justin Moore

Recent #1 Country Albums that debuted with sales between 90,000 and 145,295
90,000 George Strait (this is a rounded number;his actual #s were slightly less than 90,000)
116,402 Blake Shelton
144,990 Eric Church
145,295 Luke Bryan

Recent #1 Country Albums that debuted with sales over 300,000
347,000 Lady Antebellum
[Last January, Taylor Swift debuted with sales close to 1 million (I think?)]

At this stage, only 17 with just a few months of actual industry experience, Scotty should NOT be expected to sell more than Miranda Lambert, Jake Owen and Justin Moore in his debut week. [Remember, always benchmark low -- it's MUCH better to be pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.]

Yes, it would be PHENOMENAL for Scotty to debut higher than his idol George Strait and possibly even Blake Shelton. It would be UNTHINKABLE (again, at this stage of the game) for him to debut at the levels of Eric Church and Luke Bryan; and IMPOSSIBLE for him to debut at the level of Lady Antebellum.

So, let's start establishing REALITY BASED sales expectations; otherwise, we're going to enable pseudo-experts to call Scotty a failure even though he will probably exceed the sales of those who are considered new Country stars, but not match the sales of established super stars!!

Personally, I just want Scotty to garner the #1 spot on the Billboard Country chart -- whatever that takes. [I'm not concerned about any of the Country artists debuting on October 4 (although Hank Williams is looking good at Amazon); however, I am concerned about about Lady Antebellum holding on to the top spot for what would be the 3rd week in a row! . . . So, let's get busy and encourage every one we know to BUY, BUY, BUY!!!]


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post Sep 29th 2011, 8:52 PM
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Country artists have certain sales patterns but so do people from Idol, especially popular winners whose coronation songs got serious airplay for months afterward, so you have to consider both. Kelly and Cook both sold over 200K in their first weeks, David closer to 300K and of course Idol's only other country winner did have a first week above 300K but that was 6 years ago and it's different with female country singers apparently. I do think Scotty can have an overall #1 opening week.


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post Sep 29th 2011, 9:20 PM
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QUOTE(Arabella @ Sep 29th 2011, 9:52 PM) *

Country artists have certain sales patterns but so do people from Idol, especially popular winners whose coronation songs got serious airplay for months afterward, so you have to consider both. Kelly and Cook both sold over 200K in their first weeks, David closer to 300K and of course Idol's only other country winner did have a first week above 300K but that was 6 years ago and it's different with female country singers apparently. I do think Scotty can have an overall #1 opening week.



As Carrie indicated recently, the music industry is MUCH different today that it was for her, Kelly and David . . . As my kids tell me all of the time, Mom, NOBODY buys music any more (they couldn't believe I was actually pre-ordering Scotty's CDs and repeatedly offered to download or 'burn' CDs for me from youtube and a bizillion other sites . . . Of course, they immediately regretted making such an offer because they were forced to listen to my extended rant about about personal integrity/honesty vis a vis intellectual property rights for us professors and 'creative' property rights (or whatever they call it in the music industry) for singers/songwriters.

FYI: David Cook's second album hasn't even sold 100,000 units yet and it's been out for months.


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post Sep 29th 2011, 9:29 PM
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QUOTE(drdeb @ Sep 29th 2011, 10:20 PM) *

As Carrie indicated recently, the music industry is MUCH different today that it was for her, Kelly and David . . . As my kids tell me all of the time, Mom, NOBODY buys music any more (they couldn't believe I was actually pre-ordering Scotty's CDs and repeatedly offered to download or 'burn' CDs for me from youtube and a bizillion other sites . . . Of course, they immediately regretted making such an offer because they were forced to listen to my extended rant about about personal integrity/honesty vis a vis intellectual property rights for us professors and 'creative' property rights (or whatever they call it in the music industry) for singers/songwriters.

FYI: David Cook's second album hasn't even sold 100,000 units yet and it's been out for months.



The thing that sucks about the genre David sings is their fans aren't loyal. Country really is the only genre who stick by their favorites from one CD to the next as long as the artist stays true to their own music. I'm so glad Scotty was born to sing Country music cause its the only genre where its like family between artists and fans.

In your first post you mentioned you thought Taylor's sold 1,000,000 in January. It was actually last October. Its hard to believe the album has already been out a year. I was in Oregon then too and found it in a local record shop a week before its release day, I was shocked! Maybe if Scotty's CD has leaked it was from little shops like that. I asked them how they got the CD early and all they would say is "connections."

I really feel its gonna be at least 200k, and if not it will fall between 150k and 200k. I would be floored for 200k+ but the industry is too unpredictable to say that anymore. I honestly couldn't believe even Taylor did 1 Million! Gaga did it this year too with 1 Million during her first week, but that feat is so rare to happen today. I don't see any other artist doing that again.


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post Sep 29th 2011, 9:40 PM
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QUOTE(ctryfan1980 @ Sep 29th 2011, 10:29 PM) *

The thing that sucks about the genre David sings is their fans aren't loyal. Country really is the only genre who stick by their favorites from one CD to the next as long as the artist stays true to their own music. I'm so glad Scotty was born to sing Country music cause its the only genre where its like family between artists and fans.

In your first post you mentioned you thought Taylor's sold 1,000,000 in January. It was actually last October. Its hard to believe the album has already been out a year. I was in Oregon then too and found it in a local record shop a week before its release day, I was shocked! Maybe if Scotty's CD has leaked it was from little shops like that. I asked them how they got the CD early and all they would say is "connections."

I really feel its gonna be at least 200k, and if not it will fall between 150k and 200k. I would be floored for 200k+ but the industry is too unpredictable to say that anymore. I honestly couldn't believe even Taylor did 1 Million! Gaga did it this year too with 1 Million during her first week, but that feat is so rare to happen today. I don't see any other artist doing that again.



Once again, (and how many times have I said this to you over the last several weeks), from your keyboard to God's ear!!! yes.gif [Same with you Arabella!]


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drdeb   CAD and CWSM Sales Benchmarks   Sep 29th 2011, 8:14 PM
lilmiss48   Alright gang, we're under one week before CAD...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:20 PM
drdeb   Do you know what the sales need to be to knock La...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:45 PM
lilmiss48   An album typically loses 50-60% its second week (...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:58 PM
Missy173001   I think it would be awesome if he did 150,000. :...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:23 PM
amc   I know my expectations are too high. The last tim...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:25 PM
tAyLor mY jR   200,000.   Sep 29th 2011, 8:27 PM
milkywayx   100K. :)   Sep 29th 2011, 8:29 PM
stcecilia   200,000 :whistling:   Sep 29th 2011, 8:33 PM
Jair   180,000 :teehee:   Sep 29th 2011, 8:45 PM
tAyLor mY jR   Anything 50,000 or higher, I'll be happy.   Sep 29th 2011, 8:50 PM
aigeekoid   Remember that the sales numbers are delayed by a w...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:51 PM
drdeb   Remember that the sales numbers are delayed by a ...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:06 PM
Arabella   You're right about the pacing of LA's sal...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:18 PM
Arabella   Country artists have certain sales patterns but so...   Sep 29th 2011, 8:52 PM
drdeb   Country artists have certain sales patterns but s...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:20 PM
ctryfan1980   As Carrie indicated recently, the music industry ...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:29 PM
drdeb   The thing that sucks about the genre David sings ...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:40 PM
Arabella   As Carrie indicated recently, the music industry ...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:33 PM
milkywayx   Better (well, for me at least) to keep a low expec...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:07 PM
amc   Some people are determined to bring Scotty and oth...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:07 PM
Missy173001   Some people are determined to bring Scotty and ot...   Sep 30th 2011, 12:07 AM
fedfan1   I was a David Cook fan. I bought his new CD. Doe...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:41 PM
novelidea   Well I'm going to say 300k or more for the fir...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:42 PM
Arabella   Well I'm going to say 300k or more for the fi...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:50 PM
Musicbaby123   He will easily sell at least 200,000.   Sep 29th 2011, 9:45 PM
Scottyasia   500.000 :whistling: :thumbs: Oh, I'm sor...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:49 PM
mc_lisa   500.000 :whistling: :thumbs: Oh, I'm sorry...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:06 PM
amc   What day do the projections come out?   Sep 29th 2011, 9:51 PM
Arabella   What day do the projections come out? The first ...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:54 PM
ctryfan1980   What day do the projections come out? The offici...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:55 PM
lovesytycd   The official ones come on Mondays, but usually by...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:02 PM
Arabella   Yep, waiting for the "experts" predicti...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:16 PM
fedfan1   Considering the trend, What are the chances that S...   Sep 29th 2011, 9:58 PM
ctryfan1980   Considering the trend, What are the chances that ...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:02 PM
Arabella   I really think his CD will do over 100k its 2nd we...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:05 PM
Scottyasia   If he has a 200K first week, he could be platinum...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:13 PM
arw1950   That's why I would love to see his first appe...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:14 PM
amc   Okay thanks. I will be impatiently waiting lol   Sep 29th 2011, 10:00 PM
amc   That's why I would love to see his first appe...   Sep 29th 2011, 10:15 PM
kal635   An industry insider on pulsemusicboard posted Scot...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:29 PM
drdeb   An industry insider on pulsemusicboard posted Sco...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:42 PM
Thisbig   Thank you for the info! HOWEVER, given the r...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:46 PM
Missy173001   Thank you for the info! HOWEVER, given the r...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:46 PM
LoveScottyMac   I agree. Who is kal635? They come on here with ...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:50 PM
Missy173001   Woa, calm down sweetie. Don't wanna get too h...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:56 PM
Missy173001   OK, I'm sorry. I just don't want someone...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:58 PM
mm99   Re: HITS 9/19-20: Lady Antebellum 275-300k « Repl...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:59 PM
Mamalety1949   Wow, they sure are expecting a lot for Pia... I t...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:06 PM
Missy173001   Wow, they sure are expecting a lot for Pia... I t...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:12 PM
mm99   Wondering why they didn't post the numbers fo...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:26 PM
Missy173001   Well, maybe they mistook Lauren for Pia!...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:30 PM
stcecilia   :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:36 PM
lilmiss48   :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :...   Sep 30th 2011, 10:07 PM
Mamalety1949   Wondering why they didn't post the numbers fo...   Oct 1st 2011, 12:08 PM
fedfan1   OK, I'm sorry. I just don't want someone...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:02 PM
Missy173001   You were just being cautious after that whole ...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:04 PM
Missy173001   Woa, calm down sweetie. Don't wanna get too h...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:11 PM
LoveScottyMac   An industry insider on pulsemusicboard posted Sco...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:56 PM
milkywayx   I'm going to be ecstatic if he sells 128k. :w...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:32 PM
mm99   I couldn't find this info on pulsemusicboard, ...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:48 PM
Lexien   I couldn't find this info on pulsemusicboard,...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:51 PM
kal635   This number was quoted on MJs a few days ago, so ...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:59 PM
Missy173001   Thanks :) I'm a new Scotty fan and I hope he...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:01 PM
drdeb   I apologize. I might be over protective of Scott...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:46 PM
nana/sami   Thanks :) I'm a new Scotty fan and I hope he...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:22 PM
rhorick   Thanks :) I'm a new Scotty fan and I hope he...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:25 PM
LoveScottyMac   Welcome to Scotty fandom. He's a great kid. I...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:46 PM
Missy173001   NEW SCOTTY FAN is music to my ears too. I was ne...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:48 PM
kal635   I couldn't find this info on pulsemusicboard,...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:55 PM
milkywayx   Am I hallucinating or did I just see Pia Toscano o...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:59 PM
Thisbig   WOW! Pia's very high too. That's very ...   Sep 30th 2011, 5:59 PM
LoveScottyMac   WOW everything in overestimated on that list!...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:00 PM
dusty_125125   well we know they said there were 80k of the zin p...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:12 PM
fedfan1   How can they expect Pia to sell 117K? She couldn...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:13 PM
stcecilia   How can they expect Pia to sell 117K? She couldn...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:20 PM
milkywayx   It's also strange because Pia's album does...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:15 PM
scottyitah   How can they expect Pia to sell 117K? She couldn...   Sep 30th 2011, 6:28 PM
drdeb   COMPARATIVES: LABEL PREDICTION VS REAL/PROJECTED O...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:08 PM
Missy173001   COMPARATIVES: LABEL PREDICTION VS REAL/PROJECTED ...   Sep 30th 2011, 7:18 PM
lilmiss48   COMPARATIVES: LABEL PREDICTION VS REAL/PROJECTED ...   Sep 30th 2011, 9:46 PM
fedfan1   I notice that list has Scotty at 128K and Kelly Cl...   Sep 30th 2011, 9:54 PM
Carrie&BlakeFan   So it's predicted Scotty will sell A LOT of al...   Sep 30th 2011, 9:55 PM
Lexien   So it's predicted Scotty will sell A LOT of a...   Sep 30th 2011, 10:07 PM
stcecilia   What a face on that Gif!!!:) I will ...   Oct 1st 2011, 5:21 AM
nana/sami   :thumbs: :thumbs: that's a good sign. Ev...   Oct 1st 2011, 8:44 AM
Lexien   Everyone I convince to listen to him is truly tak...   Oct 1st 2011, 9:06 AM
drdeb   Everyone I convince to listen to him is truly tak...   Oct 1st 2011, 9:43 AM
DMJ2259   My dream is 150,000. -_- :teehee:   Oct 1st 2011, 8:36 AM
milkywayx   His album is #91 on iTunes. :)   Oct 1st 2011, 9:58 AM
Carrie&BlakeFan   His album is #91 on iTunes. :) http://i583.pho...   Oct 1st 2011, 12:04 PM
milkywayx   When do the sale predictions come out? :)   Oct 5th 2011, 4:32 AM
dusty_125125   1st weeks sales numbers the official ones come out...   Oct 5th 2011, 4:37 AM
milkywayx   HDD releases some inital predictions on Wednesdays...   Oct 5th 2011, 5:28 AM
Thisbig   Who is J Cole guys? His album sold 217K this week....   Oct 5th 2011, 7:30 AM
kebarrera   Who is J Cole guys? His album sold 217K this week...   Oct 5th 2011, 7:34 AM
stcecilia   He's a rap artist very popular   Oct 5th 2011, 7:35 AM
fedfan1   Was that a debut? If so I'm sure the numbers ...   Oct 5th 2011, 7:38 AM
milkywayx   Hoping for at least 120K.   Oct 5th 2011, 7:39 AM
dusty_125125   the cd is counted as sold when the stores scan the...   Oct 5th 2011, 8:19 AM
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