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post May 24th 2008, 9:41 PM
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I am quite surprised Melinda isn't on there, either. To me, she has far better vocal technique than Carrie although Carrie is great, too.

The thing with Carrie is she has improved greatly since being on the show. She seriously is one of the best singers in music at the very moment. Her range has grown. Her control has improved. She just has it. This is probably why she is on the list and so high. Girl can SING!


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post May 24th 2008, 9:43 PM
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QUOTE(butterflygirl87 @ May 24th 2008, 10:41 PM) *

The thing with Carrie is she has improved greatly since being on the show. She seriously is one of the best singers in music at the very moment. Her range has grown. Her control has improved. She just has it. This is probably why she is on the list and so high. Girl can SING!

Definitely agree. thumbsup.gif Wonder why Kelly Clarkson isn't on that list, either. ermm.gif


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post May 24th 2008, 9:45 PM
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Kelly, as much as I love her, isn't the most technical singer. So while she is one of the most gifted singers I've ever heard, I can understand why she wouldn't be on that list.


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QUOTE(idolfan87 @ May 24th 2008, 7:43 PM) *

Definitely agree. thumbsup.gif Wonder why Kelly Clarkson isn't on that list, either. ermm.gif

Me too. Because I consider her a better singer than Carrie. Both are brilliant, but I think Kelly is slightly better.


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QUOTE(tireswing @ May 24th 2008, 10:45 PM) *

Kelly, as much as I love her, isn't the most technical singer. So while she is one of the most gifted singers I've ever heard, I can understand why she wouldn't be on that list.

I can understand some reasons why she may not have made the list. For the past year or so, she has been abusing her voice w/all this hard rock she's been doing & its really taken a toll on it.


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post May 24th 2008, 9:47 PM
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QUOTE(tireswing @ May 24th 2008, 7:45 PM) *

Kelly, as much as I love her, isn't the most technical singer. So while she is one of the most gifted singers I've ever heard, I can understand why she wouldn't be on that list.

Point well taken. She has natural abilities. Her technique isn't on par with that. That is probably the reason! LOL!


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post May 24th 2008, 9:48 PM
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QUOTE(butterflygirl87 @ May 24th 2008, 9:45 PM) *

Me too. Because I consider her a better singer than Carrie. Both are brilliant, but I think Kelly is slightly better.

I agree with that. Carrie is probably more polished, but Kelly has those incredible pipes.

QUOTE(idolfan87 @ May 24th 2008, 9:46 PM) *

I can understand some reasons why she may not have made the list. For the past year or so, she has been abusing her voice w/all this hard rock she's been doing & its really taken a toll on it.

Watch her Ava Maria performace to the Pope. I think she DEFINITELY still has her chops.


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QUOTE(tireswing @ May 24th 2008, 10:48 PM) *

I agree with that. Carrie is probably more polished, but Kelly has those incredible pipes.
Watch her Ava Maria performace to the Pope. I think she DEFINITELY still has her chops.

Kelly sounds great singing that type of stuff. She just doesn't sound great w/rock.


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post May 24th 2008, 9:54 PM
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QUOTE(idolfan87 @ May 24th 2008, 9:49 PM) *

Kelly sounds great singing that type of stuff. She just doesn't sound great w/rock.

I think she sounds great singing anything, but that's just me tongue.gif


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QUOTE(tireswing @ May 24th 2008, 7:48 PM) *

Watch her Ava Maria performace to the Pope. I think she DEFINITELY still has her chops.

Perfect example! She did AMAZING with this! The notes she hit... I was like "WOW!"!

And I don't get how she doesn't sound good with rock! Have you heard her entire Breakaway album? Have you heard her My December album? Girl hits every note and some of them are HIGH! And she also does this live!

I agree that Carrie has better technique, but Kelly still sings amazingly! With any genre!


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post May 24th 2008, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(butterflygirl87 @ May 24th 2008, 9:54 PM) *

Perfect example! She did AMAZING with this! The notes she hit... I was like "WOW!"!

And I don't get how she doesn't sound good with rock! Have you heard her entire Breakaway album? Have you heard her My December album? Girl hits every note and some of them are HIGH! And she also does this live!

I agree that Carrie has better technique, but Kelly still sings amazingly! With any genre!

Word to your whole post. Kelly can sing ANYTHING. Not to mention she has one of the greatest ranges AI has ever seen. When she hit that whistle note in Natural Woman... omg.gif I can honestly see her singing in any genre, she's that good.


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post May 24th 2008, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(tireswing @ May 24th 2008, 8:06 PM) *

Word to your whole post. Kelly can sing ANYTHING. Not to mention she has one of the greatest ranges AI has ever seen. When she hit that whistle note in Natural Woman... omg.gif I can honestly see her singing in any genre, she's that good.

Dude! I know! Her range is unbelievable! The songs she sings are not easy to sing. And when she is touring, she is singing them every night.

I think some people don't get her. When she sings, she uses different tones, and that sometimes sounds like she is off pitch, but she isn't, she is emoting. She excels in connecting! And she does that amazingly in her tone alone.


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Archie and Carrie are my favorite idol contestants ever. happy.gif It's great to see both of them on those lists!


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QUOTE(butterflygirl87 @ May 24th 2008, 10:10 PM) *

Dude! I know! Her range is unbelievable! The songs she sings are not easy to sing. And when she is touring, she is singing them every night.

I think some people don't get her. When she sings, she uses different tones, and that sometimes sounds like she is off pitch, but she isn't, she is emoting. She excels in connecting! And she does that amazingly in her tone alone.

Seriously. The fact that she can even pull off the stuff that she does is fantastic; that she does it on a regular basis is astonishing.

Yeah, these days I think people are definitely underrating her. She'll always be my favorite Idol winner, no matter what she does in the future. It really bothers me how some people are completely writing her off in the future and consider My December to be a flop. I mean, the album went platinum, which is a huge accomplishment these days. How is that a flop? I think Kelly still has so much to show the world, and she will.

LOL @ this thread turning into a Kelly lovefest haha.gif


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QUOTE(tireswing @ May 24th 2008, 8:17 PM) *

Seriously. The fact that she can even pull off the stuff that she does is fantastic; that she does it on a regular basis is astonishing.

Yeah, these days I think people are definitely underrating her. She'll always be my favorite Idol winner, no matter what she does in the future. It really bothers me how some people are completely writing her off in the future and consider My December to be a flop. I mean, the album went platinum, which is a huge accomplishment these days. How is that a flop? I think Kelly still has so much to show the world, and she will.

LOL @ this thread turning into a Kelly lovefest haha.gif

It's Kelly!

And she will always be my favorite winner too! David was going to give her a run for her money, but crying.gif

But as for my favorite contestant, David is pretty much there! haha.gif

And I agree about My December. Plantinum = flop? On what planet?!


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Hello. First of all, This is not what you could call "Official". It's only what we, a group of dedicated vocal coaches and music majors (15 vocal coaches, 11 music majors), have been coming up with for the last 6 years. Only 2 of us watches American Idol.



That is an amazing list.

If only two of you watches American Idol, how does the group consider them? Do the two of you direct the group to listen to studio versons of songs, so the voices can be compared as recordings? does the group listen to all of the idols? (Melinda Doolittle is really good--maybe you've never considered her?)


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OK to some points

Some may not be there, This is not yet a complete list anyway. We are still adding more artists.

The two genders cannot be combined I'm afraid. Because we can't compare male and female voices.

I am the only one to consider an Idol contestant. This year I considered Carly, Michael, David A, Cook, Alaina, Danny, Chikizie, Amanda, Syesha. I would have considered Cardin Mckinney but there's just isn't enough material on her as proof of her vocals.

I did consider Melinda Doolittle. But most of them felt that she uses way too much vibrato. Personally I would have put her between 90-100. But I have little power over this list.

Kelly was there after Breakaway. She left on "Never Again".

Also, Carrie has been climbing up since Jesus Takes The Wheel. She started around 80ish.

For the record, This is not just about technical points. A lot of it has to be based on the difficulty of their materials. I don't believe the singer from Aerosmith is technically perfect. But a lot of singers won't even attempt to sing like him.

David Archuleta has done a lot of insane stuff that were unnoticed, Like in "Shop Around". The best for me is "We Can Work It Out" studio. And just recently during "In This Moment" he did something towards the end which is phenomenal for a 17 year old. I can't quite explain but he just switches his register with ease.

We also think that there are a lot more great female vocalists than male. So if ever the 2 genders are put together, it will probably be dominated by female.


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